They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby]

Woodson doesn’t even know his recruits names, he’s too busy golfing or being the King of Indiana. 

That is true so basically his subpar assistants went and got or paid these guys to come.

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

10-3 sounds like a reasonable start on its face. And the staff and the burners will tell you exactly that.

 

However when you apply eye test, metrics, and common basketball sense to the discussion you quickly realize this isn’t your normal 10-3 start.

 

Could it be worse? Of course it could. Back when we didn’t know how to cheat to get the best players. We were always 10-30 teams behind from jump and needed extracurriculars to make us better (re:Cignetti). This year we had top ten resources at worst. We paid handsomely to be a good team. We are a 50-70 type team this year, and completely mentally weak, and capable of quitting and getting blown out at the drop of a hat. I hope the players figure out a way to lock in and not completely embarrass themselves.

 

But mostly, At this point, I’m just hoping we nail the transition.

 

 

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[jermhoosierfan]

27 minutes ago, Trish said:

Mike Woodson basketball is simply ugly, it’s Archie Miller basketball but with expensive athletes. 1-19 from 3 tonight, he sure did try to make it Archie ball. 

I feel the way I did that last year of Archie, but I would watch that year because of TJD. There really is no one I want to check out on this team. That says a lot.

[Golfman25]

22 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

So woodsons lock down three point shooting recruite Goode shoots 23% from three this year. Did Woodson even evaluate any of these guys or just take the 6 million and say get me the highest ranked guys you can.

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There is a reason he has regressed. 

[Oggyiu]

The last I posted, Tom Crean was the head coach. It can’t have gotten any worse than that. 

[rcbowla]

2 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

Look at who continues to be negative, even on Christmas Eve/Day. 
Don’t you have anything better in your life than to be posting about a basketball coach during family time?

You should check to make sure you have an up to date calendar

[AZ Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Oggyiu said:

The last I posted, Tom Crean was the head coach. It can’t have gotten any worse than that. 

Of course not. After all the clamoring, we finally got "an IU guy". We spent $10M+ on this team, including the Parasite in Chief and his sleepy sidekick ... what could possibly go wrong?

[Hornsby]

10-3 sounds like a reasonable start on its face. And the staff and the burners will tell you exactly that.

 

However when you apply eye test, metrics, and common basketball sense to the discussion you quickly realize this isn’t your normal 10-3 start.

 

Could it be worse? Of course it could. Back when we didn’t know how to cheat to get the best players. We were always 10-30 teams behind from jump and needed extracurriculars to make us better (re:Cignetti). This year we had top ten resources at worst. We paid handsomely to be a good team. We are a 50-70 type team this year, and completely mentally weak, and capable of quitting and getting blown out at the drop of a hat. I hope the players figure out a way to lock in and not completely embarrass themselves.

 

But mostly, At this point, I’m just hoping we nail the transition.

 

 

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Likely why Woodson put such a weak schedule together. He would be like 8-5 if he had played last years schedule. He isn't fooling anyone but Kool aid drinkers. Woodson probably needs some injuries soon cause what excuses can he use now that things are about to get real.

 

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[Hornsby]

Maybe is quinn gets the cooks or Simon's to throw a few more million at these guys by Saturday they would to give us like 5% more effort. Or we could start throwing money on the court during games.

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[Trish]

Indiana has one of the most expensive rosters in P4 basketball, yet, they are not currently ranked and have zero signature wins in non conference play. 
 

Pathetic. 

[Demo]

17 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

So woodsons lock down three point shooting recruite Goode shoots 23% from three this year. Did Woodson even evaluate any of these guys or just take the 6 million and say get me the highest ranked guys you can.

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Goode brings value whether he’s making shots or not and if you don’t see that I would question if you know what you’re watching. In fact, what Hatton and Goode contributed today really pi$$ed me off because they’re well-coached and they didn’t get that here. Example: When Hatton was guarding high ball screen actions he took 1 jab  step out from the screen before he dropped forcing the ball handler to take 1 more dibble before trying to get downhill and giving his primary 1 more step to recover. He didn’t learn that at IU because Woody doesn’t teach it. If Reneau played it that way it would probably save him a foul a game. He also managed 3 blocks despite being completely landlocked because he’s been taught to reach for the lights when he contests at the rim and so he forces adjustments by guards to finish but he’s not going after every driver from every angle so he’s not putting them into forced rotation the way Ballo does. Again, that’s how he’s been coached, and not here. And watching Goode hunt and fill crack after crack and have himself in perfect shooting position at all times in comparison to Mgbako just hanging out waiting for ball reversal with no prep other than putting his hands up made me want to throw my drink at the screen. Yet again, 1 of them has been really well-coached and knows how to play and 1 of them is just really talented and waits to be fed. This game really got to me because those Winthrop kids absolutely understood their gameplan and what they were attacking and there way too many possesssions where IU flat didn’t. 

[Hornsby]

Indiana has one of the most expensive rosters in P4 basketball, yet, they are not currently ranked and have zero signature wins in non conference play. 
 
Pathetic. 

It's a top 5 paid roster in the country. It's best in is against a providence team who was without It's best player

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[Hoosierfan2017]

[Golfman25]

Damn. That ***** tyme just blocked me cause I called BS on his claims that there is too much pressure to coach and play basketball at IU.  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Goode brings value whether he’s making shots or not and if you don’t see that I would question if you know what you’re watching. In fact, what Hatton and Goode contributed today really pi$$ed me off because they’re well-coached and they didn’t get that here. Example: When Hatton was guarding high ball screen actions he took 1 jab  step out from the screen before he dropped forcing the ball handler to take 1 more dibble before trying to get downhill and giving his primary 1 more step to recover. He didn’t learn that at IU because Woody doesn’t teach it. If Reneau played it that way it would probably save him a foul a game. He also managed 3 blocks despite being completely landlocked because he’s been taught to reach for the lights when he contests at the rim and so he forces adjustments by guards to finish but he’s not going after every driver from every angle so he’s not putting them into forced rotation the way Ballo does. Again, that’s how he’s been coached, and not here. And watching Goode hunt and fill crack after crack and have himself in perfect shooting position at all times in comparison to Mgbako just hanging out waiting for ball reversal with no prep other than putting his hands up made me want to throw my drink at the screen. Yet again, 1 of them has been really well-coached and knows how to play and 1 of them is just really talented and waits to be fed. This game really got to me because those Winthrop kids absolutely understood their gameplan and what they were attacking and there way too many possesssions where IU flat didn’t. 

Goode is smart and well coached but if he’s not hitting shots he gets absolutely bullied on the defensive end. You are right about his movement, him being shot ready, him attempting the right things on D. But in the end it doesn’t matter if your guy can drive you and bully you into a layup every possession. He gets a lot of great looks because he’s well coached but he has to make 3 or 4 of them. The D is bad.

No complaints from Hatton tonight. He was excellent everywhere. I’ve mostly enjoyed his play all season in the little amount of time he gets.


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[Asha’man]

16 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Damn. That ***** tyme just blocked me cause I called BS on his claims that there is too much pressure to coach and play basketball at IU.  

Rumor has it Tyme is a former player. No idea which player. But someone who likes the idea of a IU guy coaching. I wouldn’t sweat him blocking you. He got ran off this site earlier this year.  I would ask him point blank questions he couldn’t answer sufficiently. Dude has a clear agenda of only an IU guy and not to win. 

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[Tasmanian Devil]

8 hours ago, Oggyiu said:

The last I posted, Tom Crean was the head coach. It can’t have gotten any worse than that. 

Mike Woodson says “Hold my beer”

[Pagoda]

5 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Damn. That ***** tyme just blocked me cause I called BS on his claims that there is too much pressure to coach and play basketball at IU.  

Tyme is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on X.  He was dead wrong about this season.  His posts are embarrassing.  And now the blame the fans narrative is starting from him and the pro-Woody crew because they have nothing else to go to after Woody still struggled with top-5 NIL.  Sometimes I even see them try to criticize the FB program -- they are a desperate bunch.  Many of them will root against IU once Woody is fired.

Fans are not the problem.  In fact, one of the few blue blood/elite thing we have left are our fans.  But fans just cheer, donate, and react to wins/losses (almost entirely online -- in person the team is treated like gods 99% of the time).  Fans don't recruit and coach the team that either wins or loses (duh).

There is not that much pressure to coach or play at IU.  The bar isn't that high.  After Woody's first two mediocre to okay years, fanbase support was very strong.  Things only went south when TJD left and Woody's program literally imploded.  Show me a fanbase happy with an imploding program.  Go back to the Crean years -- fans were impressively patient during three very down years of rebuilding.

The fact is IUBB has broken the unwritten pact with the fans.  Fans really want to support IUBB, but IUBB has to put forth maximum effort and make a competent attempt to be good.  Everyone sees the lack of effort, from recruiting to on the court, and we all know the pathetic behind the scenes stories too.  Everyone sees the lack of competence, from missing on almost every HS recruit for two years despite top-5 NIL, to all the bad losses/blowouts to programs with far less resources.

Maybe even worse than the lack of effort and competency, is Woody and others around the program refusing take responsibility and ownership for the results on the court.  This is the most basic thing they need to do to succeed, and they can't even do that.  They blame injuries, blame fans, blame recruits, and try to argue they're actually doing well.  Pathetic.

Woody and his cronies have done serious damage to IUBB.  And it appears they aren't done.  On the way out, it looks like we'll get another attack on the fans, which will turn more people off on IUBB.  It's a shame, IUBB is special, but the people running it have ruined it.  I can only hope Scott and the next coach can completely clean house and get rid of the toxic leadership that has wrecked the program.

[str8baller]

34 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Fans are not the problem.  In fact, one of the few blue blood/elite thing we have left are our fans. 

This is the truth.
 

An off shoot of that is boosters who are willing to step up and pay a coach big. Other than that there’s nothing about this program that separates it from any middling P5 program. 
 

 

[str8baller]

4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Goode is smart and well coached but if he’s not hitting shots he gets absolutely bullied on the defensive end. You are right about his movement, him being shot ready, him attempting the right things on D. But in the end it doesn’t matter if your guy can drive you and bully you into a layup every possession. He gets a lot of great looks because he’s well coached but he has to make 3 or 4 of them. The D is bad.

No complaints from Hatton tonight. He was excellent everywhere. I’ve mostly enjoyed his play all season in the little amount of time he gets.


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D, even more so than O, is a team concept. What Demo is saying is that in a proper scheme Goode can hold his own because he’s willing and smart enough.  He’s not a great 1 on 1 defender, but what does that matter? We’ve had good 1 on 1 perimeter defenders and still give up open 3s like it’s morning shoot around. 
 

This teams D is bad because of one person, and he isn’t wearing a jersey.