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I can’t really see that comp. Two different style players. VanVleet was/is a strong often physical defender who was a pass-1st floor general type. I think Burton is a smaller, quicker scoring type PG who is also a solid passer and defender. If he’s trying to be more like FVV then that’s great but I can’t personally say I’d expect to get a FVV type player with Burton.

The Spurs have picked first for Wemby, Duncan, and David Robinson. At least 2/3 were egregious tank jobs. Yet the league punished the Pacers for not even fully tanking this year, in reality what was just accepting being bad in an obvious down year. NBA is a shitshow run by r*****s.

He’s got a Star Wars tattoo. Maybe he covered it up with that?! Complete dork

Todd’s a smart guy. If I didn’t know better, I’d say he was reading this board as I made that point about a dozen times during the Woodson-era as everyone pined for a small ball, 3pt launching, uptempo squad. :{ The pros have an 82 game season and 7 game playoff series to smooth out the variance in a way college teams cannot. With that said there’s a lot of real estate between what we did last year and the Mike Woodson/Matt Painter “play two bigs and play everything through the paint” style. One of the more popular and successful styles has been essentially one athletic big with some athletic wings and guards who can shoot. But Villanova definitely rode some stone-cold small ball lineups to tons of success. Devries has to do what he thinks is prudent even if that’s loading up on beef in the paint at the expense of 3’s. Michigan is the undisputed top dog on the block and they definitely play big, so it’s not a surprise to see teams adjust to them.

I agree with all the question marks. But it’s the whole staff’s scout this time and you have to trust that they see something with the Lindsey/Mustaf/Harris combo the way they went after them. Jersey posted about it recently but others have too. It’s pretty wild we are poised to go from basically a team that shot some of the most 3’s and hardly any 2’s to a team with questionable 3 point shooting (even on low volume) that will probably live at the rim. If I’m being completely honest and it were any other team besides IU I’d probably say it reeks of an over-correction. But I’m perfectly happy to trust these guys one more year going into Y2. I’ll say that my optimistic disposition here is really helped along by Cig coming in and wining a National freaking Title in football. lol…

Mins 1 - 33 Burton/7 Lindsey 2 - Lindsey 22 / 10 Harris / 8 Frosh tbd 3 - Mustaf 24 / Harris 12 / 4 Frosh tbd 4 - Sherrel 19 / Mustaf 4 / Sisley 17 5 - Yigi 29 / Sherrel 11 That’s a pretty typical 8 man rotation. If you can get a decent rugged bigger guy (big wing or stretch 4 type) who can rebound a guard 3/4’s you could easily go 9 man rotation and drive the Sisley and frosh numbers down a bit. The flip side is if one of the frosh or a soph Sisley is really good and needs to be on the floor 20mpg, you have to find more mins. You’re just simply not going to get a good backup PG AND backup big both projected at getting 10mpg. Their agents/advisors can look at the roster and do the same math I just did and see there won’t be room.

If we’re playing a backup big we get this late in the portal 20mpg, I’d say it’s highly likely we’re missing the tournament.

This is the key. It’s not happening at IU because there’s no team or culture to retain them to. Yet anyways.

Nobody really knows the market but I’d hope like heck we’re not paying Sisley $2M. He was an end of the rotation guy who surely couldn’t have gotten a million anywhere else.

I envy you. I still occasionally wake up in a cold sweat from a nightmare where IU is down 1 with 15 sec to go and Woodson is on the sidelines telling everyone to clear out for Rice.

That would be a near perfect fit. The possibility is seemingly so remote, I’m not sure it’s worth really discussing, though. I don’t remember what the scenario was with UM and Landenborg last year but I guess I got the sense Dusty had both a soft commitment from him should he come back and some reason to believe it was a real possibility he could drop from the draft.

I hope Memphis doesn’t test for grip strength.

You and shooter are correct. Landenborg was a wing—their starting “3”—who could slide down to a 4 when they went small. They also got lucky when he dropped out of the draft. Had he signed with UM first they would’ve had a lot harder time signing someone like Johnson as his agent would’ve looked at the roster and saw a similar but better player who would take any minutes from Johnson if they were forced to play small. As it is Johnson only played 25mpg but Dusty made it all work and I’m sure Johnson was happy to trade a slightly smaller role for a title.

Agree. It’s in a coach’s best interests downplay how much they have to spend and overestimate how much his competitors have.

You need a big in case of fouls or injury but I really doubt anyone that comes in makes the actual rotation. Devries has never played with two bigs before. Splitting Yigi and Sherrel would mean about 20mpg of two bigs together and 20mpg where one of them is the singular big. You can’t get a quality backup big that doesn’t fit in the rotation and just force them on the floor if there’s an injury. Most coaches will just go small at that point. Even 7’ center addict Matt Painter went small when faced with an injury 2 years ago. It would be really weird for a “small ball/4-out” coach like Devries to not do the same if faced with an injury. Woody was committed to 80 mins per game of post play and we still ended up with backups like Hatton, Sparks, and Duncomb. I’d expect something like that at best for our last big spot.

Imagine going ‘65…1865. Talk about a politically charged environment. lol. Did they visit Lincoln or Johnson?

As others have theorized, it’s likely a money thing. It’d be nice if we had an ace left up our sleeve, though. I think the Burton/Sherrell combo has enough potential synergy to be season defining on its own. But yea…odds are your assessment is correct.

This roster is so different from last year or anything Devries has had before it is either a generational overcorrection, or Carr has a little more runway than it appears from the outside and this is what he prefers. I kind of like it as a high floor/low ceiling roster that can be built on next year

I haven’t pulled up much video but he’s supposedly a slasher who is pretty mediocre efficiency wise inside the arc (lots of long 2’s?) but shoots the 3 ball well but on less than 2 attempts per game. We’ll see what this new staff is made of with his and Harris’s scouts. Two gambles whom we apparently loved. Sherrel and Burton aren’t without their warts either but I think you probably get enough of both that even their potential downside is worth it. If Carrs scout is right on those 4 and CDD can coach em up, there’s a lot of potential there.

I wonder what they have left. It wouldn’t surprise me if they have a small pile they could throw at the right guy as the market drags on and prices come down. And if that doesn’t happen they can just fill out the roster and roll mostly as-is. I get the same sense as you, though, that they’re unlikely to get in a bidding war for somebody at this point.

You need to take up golf or pickleball or something. Lol

Guess it depends on the prospect. Luka Doncic played pro ball at 17 and was league MVP at 18. Wemby was similar but not quite as advanced, iirc. If this kid is on that level, he’ll somewhere between all-American and dominate even at 17. As much as I hate the older euros coming in, this is the cool part of NIL, imo. It would’ve been awesome to watch Luka dominate college ball for 2 years—especially if he were in an IU jersey!

It’s just another pro league for the Euros. They play with younger guys all the time. I keep harping on it, but 1) the schools should ditch the NCAA and 2) keep any new rules they make with a strong focus on being paired with the traditional American path of universities being pre job market training intuitions of 19-22 year olds. This is a tragedy of the commons situation where if you let the individual teams bring over 25yr old euros/current pros they will, but it is better off for everyone long term if nobody does.

I don’t know what their media rights deal is but I’m sure they want to auction it off to Amazon or Apple or something. They’re the most tone deaf org in the world.

Between this and the transfer eligibility stuff, the B1G and SEC should break away from the NCAA immediately. Bring the Big 12 and ACC. Invite the Big East and midmajors for the basketball tourney. NCAA is just intent on screwing everything up and grabbing every last red cent until the inevitable happens anyways. Crapping on the basketball tourney should be the final straw.