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Not me. His behavior during his coaching tenure far exceeds whatever he did as a player long before I was alive. Same with Buckner. They're villains in my IU fandom story. I have no other memories of them.

I swear, I think some of you are secretly hoping he'll get a 5th year just so you can keep up your moaning and groaning and woe is us. HE'S GONE! I still think it happens before our next home game but if it doesn't, definitely after we've played our last game of the season.

Well damn... I jump back in this thread, see the large page increase and get stoked thinking some news broke then realize .. naw, it's the B-Town Banners version of middle aged dudes sucking their guts in when the hot chick walks by..

None of them would be considered. Just not happening. That’s sourced information. Dolson has zero interest in an OSU situation

I know villain sounds harsh. But the only Quinn Buckner I know is the guy who forced IU to hire his completely unqualified buddy and then forced IU to retain said unqualified buddy for a fourth season instead of hiring Dusty or Pearl. Mike Woodson is the guy that has halfa**ed his head coaching job for four seasons and intentionally drove a massive wedge in the fanbase because he didn’t meet expectations. They’ve written their stories for the under 50 crowd, and they're not pretty ones.

Absolutely agree. Four years as a player = great legacy. Four years as head coach = massive failure. Overall rating: average... maybe slightly negative as someone who overstayed their welcome. The halo effect also causes Buckner's legendary status to tank... he chose his buddy over the university that gave him whatever success he had achieved. The nepotism factor here is huge. Then there's the fiduciary issue with protecting the interest of Indiana University vs serving their own interests and making Woodson richer than he would ever have been without their misguided influence.

Tyme erased his history on X. Lol. What a fraud. I’d love to know who was behind that account. Most certainly an insider and most certainly a Woodson apologist. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

Mgbako had been committed to Duke for months before choosing to decommit because Filipowski opted to return for his second year. Reneau decommitted from Florida because Mike White left for Georgia. He had no shortage of suitors. The right coach could definitely put these guys in a better position to succeed. It had nothing to do with schools staying away from them.

fixed it for you.

Meh, if he gets booed on national tv so be it. It's a mess of his own making. What does it matter, does any coach worth his salt worry he will fail so badly he is scared he will be booed in AH? Hell, the fact that enough fans show up for shitty basketball, game in and game out, enough to make their disdain for said shitty basketball audible is commendable. That undying passion should endear a coach to the job.

While I wouldn't go so far as saying villains, I think they've shown that whatever love they have for the program is secondary to their personal interests. When it comes to being coach, I don't give a crap about Woodson's legacy as a player; he deserves to be fired not a save face retirement. He should've been fired last year but IU loves to give crappy coaches too long because they care about optics to the detriment of the program.

So, This thread has become EHoosiery… I mean Harmony.com. :)

Completely agree. There's likely a generational divide here. My dad remembers Woodson the player, and still supported him as coach last offseason. Meanwhile I just see an older guy who accomplished a lot in his day, but hasn't really kept his knowledge up to date, and is unwilling to admit that his time has passed. Not a phenomenon unique to basketball. I've seen this in my line of work, and lots of you probably have too. When IU moves on, people might look back on his entire career with more positivity. But right now he is actively damaging something really important to a lot of people. (Including him, which makes it sadder)

Thank you lol. Maybe I’ll bring some good luck :)

I know this post references Dolson not hiring an interim coach, but I'll chime in and say I think Scott can break our losing steak with bball coaches and get the next one right. Scott has been at IU forever. Working at IU isn't exactly the ideal place to learn how to be a great AD, but it appears he's figured it out over the past few years, sometimes the hard way unfortunately, but that's life. I know he constantly seeks to learn more from more experienced ADs at other schools and he keeps in touch with coaching targets well in advance of coaching searches (/wink). That's a sign of a good leader/executive. One benefit of being at IU for such a long time is Scott has seen a lot of mistakes, A LOT! -- from the search committee interviewing no one and hiring Davis to whatever Glass missed when he hired Archie (and Wilson and Allen). He knows who/what to avoid. And in fairness he's seen some good non-rev sport hires too. I'm optimistic he knows what sort of bball coach candidate will work at IU. It certainly appears he figured out what football coach would do well here, and that was a harder task than what he faces with bball. In the end, Scott is all we have at IU to fix basketball. We've seen the serious incompetence and conflicts from those outside the athletic dept. Fortunately, I think their influence is materially diminished. I get being pessimistic with bball hires, it's hard to argue with the history, but there are reasons to be optimistic that Scott gets the next one right.

Be still my beating heart.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

Same can be said on your end. Have you talked to Quinn? Ferguson? Dolson? Simon’s? Cooks? Who told you he was coming back? Sources Simon’s? Name them

I'd argue Reneau has some of the most heart on this team

7:00 tonight on ESPN2. Utah Prep with the #1 player A. J. Dybansta and its new coach Keith Smart

Scratch that loser off the candidate list.

https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/1880781006569152889?s=46

I didn’t mean to derail the thread, so with that being said. Fire. Mike. Woodson.

This, friends, is where we find ourselves. These contrasting views of Indiana basketball, Mike Woodson and handwriting on the wall. Woodson's hubris makes sympathy and even compassion difficult for many. Woodson needs to go -- sooner rather than later.. and the $20M in salary and parting gifts for what he's given us over the past 4 years makes me want to call hellfire and brimstone down on him. I'm not finding a lot of room, personally, for sympathy or compassion.

So, word I’ve gotten today from someone very close to the situation is “eerily quiet” today. I think the plans are finalized and ready. But Dolson and Co. are being very intentional about optics and want it to go down when the timing is right so that it doesn’t crate red flags in the media and coaching world. I’d say 30% chance a bad loss at NW does it, but a 60% chance blowout losses in Feb. to Purdue, Wiscy, Mich, Mich St. will be the need for the mid-season plan.

Nothing was ever going to happen today because today is the funeral for Calbert dad in Evansville. The staff and Dolson were all supposed to attend. Probably all didn’t ride down together.

Auburn is a lock to make the NCAA tourney

I agree with you! I have had the chance in my life to watch them both as players and the left a good legacy as players but that all got shot to heck because of what has transpired over the last 4 years! Now their legacy will be about bringing the entire basketball program to its knees for their own self serving interests.

I'll give you TJD... and Ware to some extent... but where Ware "developed" was shedding the laziness that he showed at Oregon and becoming more active and aggressive. I would argue that for every plus that there are multiple negatives... look at the guys here who have regressed or not made strides forward: Mgbako, Reneau (still can't/won't pass out of a double-team), Carlyle, Tucker, Galloway and Cupps before his injury... and the guys who have left: Banks, X, Bates, Gunn, Lander, Phinisee, Stewart, and arguably, Kopp. I agree that there are plenty of reasons to send Woodson packing... but I am not inventing stuff.

Uh, you seemed to ignore the rest of the poster's statement, especially the part about Woody's style of play. But let's talk about player development. In the 4 years that Woody has been here, what players have show significant improvement? Sure, TJD and Ware showed improvement. Absolutely. But you're also talking about high-level elite talent there. You could also argue that Race showed <some> improvement. Not a lot, but some. Who else? MM started to a bit offensively, but fell off a cliff and still can't defend, rebound or play D. What's amazing to me is that Woody was an elite college guard and long-time NBA guard, yet he has shown very little ability to improve his backcourt players. Is Rice any better than he was at the start of the year? KC? Galloway seemed to improve and turn a corner, but has regressed recently. Leal? Obviously he shows Woody nothing in practice as he has barely gotten any minutes in 4 years. X? Nah. He was inconsistent and only showed flashes his entire career (even when he was actually healthy). We have, however, seen a few players who left IU and have seen some improvement and success elsewhere. That means that Woody either was not developing them or not using them correctly. As bad as Woody has shown himself to be as a game coach (during the game and game prep), he certainly has not shown himself to be any kind of savant when it comes to player development either. Criticism in that area is fair as well.

Imo we do not want a mid-season firing. That seems like it could lead to a talented team making a run and getting an interim coach hired. Just like Ohio State last year. How's that working for them now? Just let it ride and can his @$$ in March.

Probably not much better. Coach still coaches them. Rice was one of my favorite guards to watch last year. He is no where near the player he was last year in a different system

Ok guys… Last nights game changed EVERYTHING. That’s my unpopular opinion. He’s still gone at the END of the season. If we had got blown out last night, and blown out at Northwestern then that would have been it. I mean he is not walking into SSAH after that. I mean besides, who doesn’t like to get blown anyways right? That win saved him for the time being. Look at how HARD the team played. The coaches were coaching hard too. Woodson’s reaction after the game said it all. He knew it. They all knew it. I think that there is a real chance this team goes 11-9 in conference and wins a game in the conf tourney. That gets them in March Madness and Woodson can say he got us back or whatever he wants to say and goes out on good terms. Now the only way that happens is if Mgbako sits. I have said since the first time I saw him play he can’t play at this level. I argued Banks should have started over him but this staff couldn’t unlock Banks. He doesn’t have the athleticism or motor to play at this level. Leal should have been playing a lot more minutes his whole career here. He won Woodson two games last year after all. Btw when are teams going to learn you can’t iso Leal late in games? Goode is not going to score like that every game but he will score enough. MR will be back. Mgbako should not be starting, and should be around 10 minutes per game. He shouldn’t be in late game situations. Idk if Woodson sees it but I hope he has seen enough to cut down his minutes. We are NOT what our record says we are. We are not good, but there is a path to get 10 or 11 wins and a possible March Madness invitation. Last night’s game did change some things. Having said all that, I really hope that I’m wrong.

Someone will thaw you out the century IU makes another Final Four.

The master of that game was Wooden at UCLA in the 1973 Final Four semi-final... got the call against Downing instead of Walton. I'm. Not. Bitter.

Using my line against me. I like it

Gottlieb comes up a little short, Green Bay falls 73-69. Guy just can’t steal a win.

You are entitled to that and I respect that but it definitely does mine! They tarnished the university and put a major black eye on the basketball program for their own self serving actions

I like hearing the boos over the radio broadcast. Keep those voices in shape for the next men's home game if Woody's still the coach.

There are a lot of reasons Woodson’s should be gone, and I agree that his style of play is not where today’s game is. However to say that guys haven’t developed under him, at least the bigs, is patently false. TJD became a much better player under Woodson. Race as well, to a lesser extent. Ware went from being non-motivated and a waste to a 1st round draft pick. Reneau has improved in his 3 years here. As I said, there are so many reasons why we need a coaching change. Don’t need to invent stuff to make a case.

Get a room people.

sure Jan...

Who said anything about middle aged dudes. Am I right Old Fart?

If we start getting rolled (and frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens even if we don’t) there’s a 100% chance the students start a chant for Dusty. I don’t wanna see that. The fire Woodson chant was audible on TV. Several tweets went semi viral showing it. You know where I stand on Woody. I understand students do stupid stuff (I certainly did), it’s just a bad look for a fanbase already fractured. We forum ding dongs aren’t the only ones who know Dusty is an IU guy. I don’t want individual players booed and I don’t wanna see that. I think if they at least announce or confirm it’s his last season it maybe doesn’t happen (probably does anyways). That’s what I meant. Edit: I’ll add stoob, this is why we (royal we in this case) wanted him gone last year. I wanted to avoid this lame duck season and so did others. The portal money never changed my opinion on that.

DeVries is terrific. Wow, another really good candidate in his 1st year at a new gig. Gonna go out on a limb and suggest that maybe, just maybe, IU trying to give Woody a soft landing may have been more costly than just bucks.

DeVries. I haven’t watched enough of McCollum over the years. I’ve watched him all this year and I’m very impressed however I’ve been impressed with DeVries for awhile now. Either one would probably be successful here.

He can stay in Morgantown however I will take the head coach. Probably the coach IU should go after. Midwest ties and he can really coach. One of the top guys on my list

Hey babe! You come here often? Can I buy you a drink? Welcome back. Seems forever since you've posted.

Before the next game. 3 games from now. End of the season. As long as he's gone at the end of the season, I don't really care when it happens. We will get blown out multiple times between now and the end of the season. This team has been shown to be able to get motivated and play well enough to win for a game or two. Then they revert back to not caring because they can't maintain that.