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That's fine, I was just answering a question. I don't really have a take on the Dorn/Harris debate. Right now, neither impresses me much. In general, I'm not very excited about next basketball season. I am looking forward to football, though.

It's my bad. I started the convo on asking what Dorn's numbers were if you take out that 3-4 game heater he had. Completely agree that its totally unfair to Dorn to do that. But yeah, I just think he's so limited. Would have been fine keeping as a 8th-10th guy in the rotation for experience and culture and some situational stuff, but my opinion is that he is not a starter on a good Big Ten team. I don't know that Harris is either, but I'd take my chances with his upside given how well thought of he was.

I know this isn't necessarily fair to Dorn, but I wonder what those shooting numbers are if you take out his 3-game heater? I also wonder what Harris can bring beyond. I'm not trying to hate on Dorn, but he did very little beyond streaky shooting. If Harris can defend better, has some handling or creating he can provide, etc., he could upgrade in other areas. I don't know if he can do those things, but from what I saw from Dorn he can't.

It's interesting how we all see things differently. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong and HH or I am right. Who knows until it plays out. I agree with you that I was hoping we'd be able to add more proven pieces to the bench. I'm nervous we're going to have to rely on so many unproven pieces and and to varying degrees rely on 3 freshmen off the bench. We need another big and I also think another ball handler. I was hoping we'd be able to push Karvala and Manhertz down the depth chart with the last 2 additions. With all of that said, Nick Dorn is where we disagree. He was the returning player I wanted back least (outside of the two international guys from last year). I don't know what Harris will be, but I don't see how it can be worse than Dorn. Outside of his 3-game hot shooting streak, he was pretty awful. He's a terrible defender, doesn't handle or create offensively, really does very little outside very streaky spot-up shooting. Again, I have no idea what Harris will be, and can agree that I wonder what else we could have done with that NIL investment, but I don't see how Harris can be much worse than Dorn. Harris' ceiling is much higher IMO. Maybe Dorn will prove me wrong at Miami, but I wasn't too high on him last season.

I stand corrected. I might be thinking of some Kenpom numbers or something else someone posted. I generally find Torviks site pretty useful. Does anyone think we’ll have the 2nd most talented roster next year? Top 5?

Just a note on how Illinois scored their 2 runs in the 10th: 2 walks and a hit batsman to load the bases with no outs. First run scored on a double play ground ball. Then a two-out wild pitch scored the second run. So Illinois scored 2 runs in the 10th without a hit or an RBI. Business as usual for IU.

Knowing Carr has a relationship with the coach doesn’t magically validate the rest of the story you invented. You took one small fact and built an entire narrative around it with no evidence. C'mon bro...

Schwarber last 18 games- .300/.402/.857 -- 12HR Last 8 games- .353/.421/1.147 --- 9HR

I guess I’m with @HoosierHoopster in that I’m happier with a dice roll shooter than with the known quantity of Dorn.

Okay Tommy Crean. What do you think about him, and are you thinking about him a lot?

Brandon Jenkins was at the UAA event yesterday as was DDV who is there again today. Per Jenkins, we also watched: Godson Okokoh playing for Canada Elite Shaq Kizzee and Drew Guy both playing for Texas Impact 4:13 M.J. Curry and Nas Anderson of the Atlanta Celtics

Dushawn London from yesterday's EYBL event - Michai White | City Rocks (17U, 2028) White is having a very strong start to the spring while playing up with 17U. Currently ranked No. 30 nationally in 2028, White had another strong outing in the loss against JL3. In a highly physical game, White impressed with his poise, decision making, intention to rebound and hit shots in the mid range and get to the rim. While this wasn't his best outing, White showed why he is among the top guards in the class and continued his strong spring.

For the whole season, he was 60 of 158, which is 0.380. In a 4 game stretch he went: 4/9, 6/10, 4/9, 6/15. All 40% or greater. If those are excluded, his totals become 40/115, which is 0.348.

I’m here now. Weather isn’t too great but nothing to keep a football player from anything

En feugo

The only possible upside to Dorn that I saw was that he was out until October with his foot injury, so he didn’t get to develop his game and conditioning. The version we had kinda sucked.

Dorn at Indiana: .380 3FG% on 5.3 attempts per game (2 makes) Luke Goode at Indiana: .392 3FG% on 4.9 attempts per game (1.9 makes) Goode on Illinois's E8 team: .389 3FG% on 4.1 attempts per game (making 1.6) Harris will need to make about 2 3s a game for us if he is expected to be a shooter. On 1.9 attempts last year, he made .6 per game in 9.7mpg. Hopefully the extra playing time helps him.

Preseason projections and evaluations can be indicators. But no one really has a great handle on any rebuilt teams until well into a tougher part of the schedule. Except for maybe the coaches...after some practices. Right or wrong, last season got the short end of the stick for many reasons. Not much was satisfactory except for getting a coaching change and Lamar Wilkerson...and isolated glimpses of development and improvement. This new season we may have a really decent PG who stays healthy. Maybe. After that, we have upgraded size and gotten mostly experienced players that have more than one year of eligibility remaining. They have not played together. They have a new head coach in a new setting and new offensive and defensive schemes. As for talent...discuss that as you will. I won't. There's just too much preseason hype for me to get into anything other than rough comparisons. Too many other things are vitally important. We all know about effort, ballers, athletes, how smart they are, turnovers, team play, coaching, defense, shooting, assists, rebounding, health, locker room issues, youth, depth, B10 physicality, road trips, scheduling, one more scholarship...) Pleased that this team will get some serious practice and games preseason. Still trying to get my arms around the portal and $$$$$$ being thrown around. The season keeps getting longer. Travel distances greater. Preseason and practices expanded this year. I'm going to enjoy warmer weather and there is no hurry to get to the fall and winter sports. *When's tipoff?

With the state of Purdues NIL there’s no way they win a 5 star that a big boy actually wants. Feels like Lander for us

Not because he’s perimeter oriented. Because in many games he just plain disappears. He’s apparently playing with some ball-dominant guards but still.

That doesn’t equate like it use to in this day of NIL. Cig showed us that.. not an excuse at an institution like Indiana anymore.

Wonder what ius numbers look like compared to this

Followed by #360 overall, 20th this year

That's true. I think when they hired Jawan and Memphis hired Penny and they initially did well with their loose, player friendly environment, it looked like times had changed and you could have success with that approach. I believe that greased the skids for the Woody move. Neither of the previously mentioned names had hc experience or the connections with people such as World Wide Wes....and others. We should all think back to that time and be able to relax a bit right now.

Maybe it isn’t quite fair to use Dusty as an example because he is a savant of sorts. He intuitively knows exactly how to construct a roster for a deep run. Once he got it figured out at FAU I think it was all downhill from there and if he would’ve come to IU, he would’ve done pretty close to the same as what he did at Michigan. Dusty’s scouting on incoming freshman and fill in pieces I believe would be a lot different at this juncture with this team, but I guess we’re going to see who fills out the last roster spot and where this season goes, but I believe we’re gonna get a good picture of the direction of the program this year with all the support and money that is at his disposal. Rubber meets road…time to coach.

This is weird. Had to pay 4 bucks for a weekend pass to watch EYBL streams last session but this one appears to be free. Probably because last session they made a grand total of 4 bucks.

It's an opinion on a message board that I clearly stated was speculative. If speculation isn't for you on this one... no worries! It's Friday at 5:00 and life is lovely.

I've waited my entire life for someone like Pam Whitten to force that paradigm shift in the athletic department. I still can't believe the top brass hired an established successful football coach with a resume to back it up. Cloud nine, man. Cloud nine.

I watched these last night, and he talks about driving the pace car around the speedway a couple of times already. He wasn't going to go full throttle in it LOL.

FCS, right? I will say-- for all the complaints of the OOC last year--- Old Dominion finished ahead of a whole HOST of P4 schools-- Purdue, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Cinci, Arkansas, NC State, Miss St, Kansas, AZ ST, Florida, Boise St, Kentucky, Minnesota, Baylor, Rutgers, Maryland, Cal, UCF, Mich St, Wisconsin, UNC, WVU, BC, UCLA, Stanford, OK ST, Colorado, VT, Syracuse... Kennesaw St finished ahead of Purdue, UNC, WVU, Colorado, BC, UCLA, VT, Syracuse, Stanford, OKST.... If we would have came into last season with..... NC State+Virginia Tech-- on our schedule instead of OD+KS people would have been singing our praises, when in REALITY... the teams we played were BETTER, albeit, don't have national recognition. Sportswriters that have no clue, mostly.

If true, it’s roster building malpractice. Hell, we have posters here that would watch 15 of his games to get a scout for fun. Based on last season, he seems like a coach that takes on the challenge of coaching what he has. He doesn’t strike me as an analytical, ultra high IQ type guy that obsesses over the roster and the roster build. Not a type A personality. many of his/staffs choices left so much to be desired and added a level of doubt to every choice they make for me. This season is better by a landslide but leaves several significant question marks. Genuinely curious if this is 1 year rental/back up situation like Acinomivic was. Maybe practice against guys like Yigi and AS is better than playing low level German ball. Not sure this is a serious 4 year commitment or not.