They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[cleeter]

I can understand that. I’m more focused on getting someone more proven. Pearl’s a good coach but I don’t see IU hiring him ever, too much ncaa baggage, it is what it is

We just need an administration that isn’t “holier than thou” and cares about winning. Until we get that, we will have to deal with being mediocre unless we hit a home run in the mid major coaching circle


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[HoosierHoopster]

1 minute ago, cleeter said:

We just need an administration that isn’t “holier than thou” and cares about winning. Until we get that, we will have to deal with being mediocre unless we hit a home run in the mid major coaching circle


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Being a glass half full guy, I’m just going to hope that the uproar and outspoken media disgust with what Woodson is doing to the program will get those who’ve been trying in the background to get the U back on track better positioning moving forward 

[IUHAHN81]

I just can't get behind going after a 60+ year old coach at this point. MOST, of course not all proven P5 coaches are getting into that age range. If we bring in someone like that and we get going, it'll be over again before we know it because of their age. Then we are right back to square one. Imo, at some point we are gonna hafta roll the dice again to score a coach that can be our coach successfully for a couple decades. May not be a popular opinion but that's where I'm at. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

2 hours ago, iubhounds2 said:

I don't understand why people think Shrews would leave ND after he gets them going, if he does next year. Would not only IU's history or is the B1G the attraction? I don't think Shrews would leave ND for IU anytime.

Football is king of the hill at ND and even Digger never was more than the second best athletic program on campus.  Even if Coach Cig is a miracle worker, basketball will always be the king at IU.

[cleeter]

Being a glass half full guy, I’m just going to hope that the uproar and outspoken media disgust with what Woodson is doing to the program will get those who’ve been trying in the background to get the U back on track better positioning moving forward 

I sure hope so. I want to believe it so bad. But bringing him back this year, after hearing all this backlash, makes me wonder if it’ll ever happen. Might be too late after next year, if it goes how we all imagine it to go right now.


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[8bucks]

21 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I can understand that. I’m more focused on getting someone more proven. Pearl’s a good coach but I don’t see IU hiring him ever, too much ncaa baggage, it is what it is

I worry more about our administration baggage more than any ncaa baggage he may have. 

[cleeter]

I just can't get behind going after a 60+ year old coach at this point. MOST, of course not all proven P5 coaches are getting into that age range. If we bring in someone like that and we get going, it'll be over again before we know it because of their age. Then we are right back to square one. Imo, at some point we are gonna hafta roll the dice again to score a coach that can be our coach successfully for a couple decades. May not be a popular opinion but that's where I'm at. 

But right now, we are a mediocre school. If you bring in Pearl and he does what we all assume he would, then we would be back to a blue blood top 25 school. That changes everything when transitioning to a new coach. Momentum.

Which would be more appealing for recruits and portal players?
A) Mediocre school w/ risky MM coach
B) Rolling top 25 w/ risky MM coach


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[IUHAHN81]

Just now, cleeter said:

But right now, we are a mediocre school. If you bring in Pearl and he does what we all assume he would, then we would be back to a blue blood top 25 school. That changes everything when transitioning to a new coach. Momentum.

Which would be more appealing for recruits and portal players?
A) Mediocre school w/ risky MM coach
B) Rolling top 25 w/ risky MM coach


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I can totally understand your point here. I get that for sure. 

[JSHoosier]

20 minutes ago, IUHAHN81 said:

I just can't get behind going after a 60+ year old coach at this point. MOST, of course not all proven P5 coaches are getting into that age range. If we bring in someone like that and we get going, it'll be over again before we know it because of their age. Then we are right back to square one. Imo, at some point we are gonna hafta roll the dice again to score a coach that can be our coach successfully for a couple decades. May not be a popular opinion but that's where I'm at. 

Pearl has more energy to him than Woodson does even if he is in his 60s. If he does what we think he did then he'd stabilize the program and get back to the tournament regularly and leave it more attractive to younger coaches when he retires.

After our last 25 years I'd rather have 7 or so of a guy that's won everywhere then risk a guy that could be here 30 or need fired in 3.

[IndyHoops]

59 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

That means nothing. Miller was “ya know” considered highly. He hadn’t proved much. Neither has May. 
Personally I’m skeptical of another role of the dice. If you don’t get that, oh well.

Oh, it means something. Either IU is mediocre as a program or May is good enough. Maybe both?

[Deserthoozier]

9 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I worry more about our administration baggage more than any ncaa baggage he may have. 

Agree! Is there really still anything that qualifies as NCAA rules ‘baggage’ anymore?

UNC - fake classes for 20 years -lawyered up, zero penalty. Dean and Roy HOF coaches lauded by everyone. Nike has been kicking them EYBL players and related $$$ since the club league existed.

KU - payed top $$$ for talent, for like ever — completely exposed and in cahoots w/triple stripe, lawyered up won. Assistant pays a fine, or went to jail. Where has triple stripe been landing us some dudes if we’re one of their best? ok don’t answer, but it certainly wasn’t close to what they did for KU). KU literally then sued  adidas for ‘tampering’ and a month latter adidas re-signed them w/ over $100M contract. lol! Multiple sexual assault charges in the bball dorm, multiple yrs - swept under the rug. Self = HOF and lauded as one of the greatest.

MSU - Izzo buried a bunch of sexual assault/rape charges - certainly was competitive in the pre-NIL $$. Lauded as Mr. March and the best in the Big. Future HOF.

Duke - systemically best institutional hidden under the table pay for play school in history (ok UK and KU arguably right there). K - viewed as Mr. clean, lauded as best coach ever.

Alabama - Brandon Miller was textbook definition of accessory to MURDER ffs!! Teammate texted him along the lines of  ‘things are getting hot, bring me my joint,  there’s one in the chamber’. He drove the gun to the scene where his teammate grabbed it and killed a young mom. Tuscaloosa PD gave him a pass - no charges — Nate Oats didn’t sit him a single game..explained it as ‘wrong place, wrong time’. miller 2nd pick in draft, Oats viewed as one of the top 5 coaches in the country.

Could fill 1000 pages with sooo many other examples. 

The real NCAA rules are aggressively fight any charges, privately, publicly and all around - run out the clock and or create enough pressure to for them to give up..or in the worst case take a penalty - typically only pulling coach for a cupcake game or two. 

Do I like, or even respect this? Absolutely not! But, it’s the pragmatics of being successful in college (really professional) sports.

Pearl had an unauthorized bbq, and had the rifleman mildly involved in the fbi scandal I think. Child’s play. He’s not my #1, but he’s pretty good and I’d take almost anything over having to suffer through Woody’s system, attitude , ineptitude and excuses for another year watching the program further burn. Also realize the chance a change is made is negligible.
 

Oh yeah - fire Mike Woodson. 

[Golfman25]

Since we may be a year or two away, I’m going to throw this name in to the fire from the kid.  He’s a Kelley so maybe he’s smart?   Worth a watch.  
 

Kim English, Providence.  

[RoncalliHoosier]

1 hour ago, IUHAHN81 said:

I just can't get behind going after a 60+ year old coach at this point. MOST, of course not all proven P5 coaches are getting into that age range. If we bring in someone like that and we get going, it'll be over again before we know it because of their age. Then we are right back to square one. Imo, at some point we are gonna hafta roll the dice again to score a coach that can be our coach successfully for a couple decades. May not be a popular opinion but that's where I'm at. 

We suck. We have an old, lazy and arrogant coach who thinks he's doing his job and is so full of himself that is disgusts the real "true fans". We need someone who can come in here and truly right the ship - not with "words", but with actual work. A guy like Pearl can give us 5-7 years of growth and positive progress so that when he is done, we have a program that quality guys are interested in taking over.

The other options are stick with Mediocre MIke for another season (or however many Buckner wants to foist on us) or get somebody who may well be the next Archie or Crean or Davis.

It's time to do something to fix this mess.

[Chris007]

3 hours ago, Unexpectedflash said:

Someone better than I would know but I feel like I’ve heard that shrews would leave notre dame for us. We’re generally a better job and it’s probably easier to win here without some of the academic restrictions. I could very well be wrong though. 

His dad and Fred Glass are best friends or something like that is the connection.

[Chris007]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

That means nothing. Miller was “ya know” considered highly. He hadn’t proved much. Neither has May. 
Personally I’m skeptical of another role of the dice. If you don’t get that, oh well.

Miller coached at a school you could win at not FAU. That’s the difference. Dusty is not Archie. We’re about to see At Louisville 

[IndianaSconnie90]

Having watched IU all year and now watching Houston, the size of the canyon that is the difference between the 2 teams is so vast that it's embarrassing. None of their players have the look of "lacking confidence" on their faces and they're all nearly built like grown men. But hey, we grow basketball here?

[johnsoniu]

3 hours ago, Unexpectedflash said:

Someone better than I would know but I feel like I’ve heard that shrews would leave notre dame for us. We’re generally a better job and it’s probably easier to win here without some of the academic restrictions. I could very well be wrong though. 

You’re spot on.

Now, Notre Dame has been known to be pretty flexible with its academic restrictions, as long as you play WR or are an edge rusher. Power forwards and shooting guards, not so much.

 

[cthomas]

This has been really comical to me. The angst, the gnashing of teeth, the doomsday predictions. On top of that, the trashing of legendary IU basketball players who have done the work to actually accomplish something. Let's start with Quinn Buckner. He was the point guard on the last undefeated national championship team. Arguably the best college basketball team ever. Nothing but respect from me. I've seen shots taken at I. Thomas. One of the best point guards ever and the reason that '81 banner is hanging in Assembly Hall. Maybe CMW is not the guy who brings IU back to national prominence. But he was an outstanding player and he deserves respect for that. I truly don't understand the mentality of fans in the social media era. Admittedly, I'm one of the old guys. I go back to Branch McCracken. I've seen IU basketball at best and at its worst. If we ever want to right this ship, it needs to start with respecting those who built the legacy, not making fun of them. CBK was lightning in a bottle. We've been though several coaches since and none have measured up to our standards. Maybe the problem is us. Just my unsolicited opinion. Flame away, at this point I don't care.

[Herotime]

2 minutes ago, cthomas said:

This has been really comical to me. The angst, the gnashing of teeth, the doomsday predictions. On top of that, the trashing of legendary IU basketball players who have done the work to actually accomplish something. Let's start with Quinn Buckner. He was the point guard on the last undefeated national championship team. Arguably the best college basketball team ever. Nothing but respect from me. I've seen shots taken at I. Thomas. One of the best point guards ever and the reason that '81 banner is hanging in Assembly Hall. Maybe CMW is not the guy who brings IU back to national prominence. But he was an outstanding player and he deserves respect for that. I truly don't understand the mentality of fans in the social media era. Admittedly, I'm one of the old guys. I go back to Branch McCracken. I've seen IU basketball at best and at its worst. If we ever want to right this ship, it needs to start with respecting those who built the legacy, not making fun of them. CBK was lightning in a bottle. We've been though several coaches since and none have measured up to our standards. Maybe the problem is us. Just my unsolicited opinion. Flame away, at this point I don't care.

Respect and trust are capital that are earned and can be squandered. 

[Golfman25]

4 minutes ago, cthomas said:

This has been really comical to me. The angst, the gnashing of teeth, the doomsday predictions. On top of that, the trashing of legendary IU basketball players who have done the work to actually accomplish something. Let's start with Quinn Buckner. He was the point guard on the last undefeated national championship team. Arguably the best college basketball team ever. Nothing but respect from me. I've seen shots taken at I. Thomas. One of the best point guards ever and the reason that '81 banner is hanging in Assembly Hall. Maybe CMW is not the guy who brings IU back to national prominence. But he was an outstanding player and he deserves respect for that. I truly don't understand the mentality of fans in the social media era. Admittedly, I'm one of the old guys. I go back to Branch McCracken. I've seen IU basketball at best and at its worst. If we ever want to right this ship, it needs to start with respecting those who built the legacy, not making fun of them. CBK was lightning in a bottle. We've been though several coaches since and none have measured up to our standards. Maybe the problem is us. Just my unsolicited opinion. Flame away, at this point I don't care.

Good basketball players don’t necessarily make good coaches or good program managers.  These guys are destroying their legacy by sticking around too long.