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This should go without saying obviously, but there will be no press conference tomorrow. I’ll be able to take the lid off a bit later in the week. But will say this, anybody providing details right no

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So I couldn’t get much from him unfortunately. But, to me that’s a good thing. There’s been pretty much zero chatter, nor leaks for a month about coaches. He said it doesn’t matter that the season is

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

It's almost a joke of an "extension" for a guy that may win the conference in year 1.    

Yeah, when it was announced I figured the number would be something like 8yr/48M total with a $12M buyout.  A  5 year 25M contract seems rather noncommittal by UM.

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12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I tried this the other day with comparing McCollum to some other candidate:

Other than "being really good in D2" name one category that McCollum is better than Devries from the following:

  • P5 experience and wins
  • D1 high school recruiting success
  • D1 portal recruiting success
  • Agent interaction
  • Big alumni base, and big organization success
  • Mentoring and mentored by top tier coaches
  • Success of teams against top tier coaches
  • Wins
  • NCAA wins
  • Developing players for the next level
  • Playing or assisting at a D1 or P5 program
  • Wins against ranked teams
  • Winning with a new roster/roster turnover
  • Modern offense

So I'm naming 15 categories. I'll readily concede that McCollum is better in one: D2 success. Devries is better in the other 14.

Hard to compare but I tend to agree.  However, isnt Devries almost in the same boat as May?

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m hard to please, but Devries isn’t the worst name I’ve heard thrown out there. Brownell and McCollum being two I’d put below Devries.

Hopefully we get Scott Drew and don’t have to call down to the Devries tier, but I’d be leaps and bounds over our last hire. 

An added bonus is Tucker comes with the head coach.  A fully healthy Tucker on your team is a really good thing.  DeVries would do well at IU in my opinion 

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3 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Before you crown dolson the next coming maybe wait and see how this fall goes in football. The schedule is tougher and your basing if all on one season.

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And likewise, before anyone crowns May the next coming maybe see how his future falls in the next couple years. 

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14 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I tried this the other day with comparing McCollum to some other candidate:

Other than "being really good in D2" name one category that McCollum is better than Devries from the following:

  • P5 experience and wins
  • D1 high school recruiting success
  • D1 portal recruiting success
  • Agent interaction
  • Big alumni base, and big organization success
  • Mentoring and mentored by top tier coaches
  • Success of teams against top tier coaches
  • Wins
  • NCAA wins
  • Developing players for the next level
  • Playing or assisting at a D1 or P5 program
  • Wins against ranked teams
  • Winning with a new roster/roster turnover
  • Modern offense

So I'm naming 15 categories. I'll readily concede that McCollum is better in one: D2 success. Devries is better in the other 14.

I do like DeVries better than Cronin, which is the guy you were using a few days ago to put down McCollum…..:-)

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29 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

One observation I’ve made and it’s probably because of 4 years ago but when someone makes a Stevens is out post like Sam made earlier it believed a lot more than when RTZ makes a Stevens to IU post. RTZ has been right many more times than Sam in recent years. Sam had most of his info during the Crean years. 
 

Also on a side note my DM’s pick way up with the Stevens not coming than the Stevens is coming. 
 

Just some quick thoughts.

My BMs do the same thing.

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39 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I do like DeVries... but hope Dolson doesn't fall that far... I did find his contract details online... buyout is just under $1.1M.

source: https://voiceofmotown.com/darian-devries-wvu-contract-details-released/

Nice find! But I think the 37.5 percent is of the total remaining contract—so $4.5 million for the four years, which is doable, but I’d rather put that money toward Otz. 

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I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?

He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    

 

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Nice find! But I think the 37.5 percent is of the total remaining contract—so $4.5 million for the four years, which is doable, but I’d rather put that money toward Otz. 

My bad... I calculated it for one year... good catch.

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I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?
He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    
 
You're right...perfection doesn't exist. There are pros and cons to everyone. I personally feel that the issues you bring up are cert minimal when compared to everything else he brings.
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Here's how I look at it. A few people on this thread have sources and they are kind enough to share with the rest of us. I appreciate them. The rest of us just state our opinion. Some of you need to quit being haters. It's easy for me to get thorough the pages because I skip over most of your comments. I look for the names that have real information. Sorry not Sorry.

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10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

An added bonus is Tucker comes with the head coach.  A fully healthy Tucker on your team is a really good thing.  DeVries would do well at IU in my opinion 

You’ve said this before, but I think there’s a fairly long list of guys who could do pretty well here in the current NIL atmosphere. Mike Woodson basically ignored a large percentage of his job responsibilities, largely gave up recruiting outside of the portal, was a very mediocre in-game coach, and the bottom still didn’t completely fall out underneath him. We don’t need a star, I don’t think. With the millions of dollars our donors are willing to spend, we need competence and work ethic.  

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I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?

He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    

 

When you make a title game from the Horizon league in back to back years, you get benefit of the doubt. Taking your question seriously; I don't know what people would say comparing him as a tactician to Rick Pitino. But if Stevens coached at IU he would immediately be the best or second best coach in the country. 

He made 3 Eastern Conference Finals, and would have made the NBA Finals on that second trip, if not for losing Hayward and Kyrie Irving. Took LeBron to 7 games without his two best players. 

Open to pushback. Think there is no one IU could get who would be as good of a coach.

 

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