General Coach Candidate News

[iubb]

So a couple days ago it was a two week time frame.  Now it's stretching longer.  Lol search season us fun.
Let's work ourselves up for the best possible outcome do that the true outcome is a letdown.  IU basketball baby!

Time to pour some more coffee


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[cleeter]

Hoo boy tomorrow morning through noon will be fun.  

Daytona is tomorrow. National holiday in my part of Indiana. Will be a nice break.


Wait a minute, it’s past midnight, did you tomorrow as in Monday? I need to get to bed. I’m losing it


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[Trish]

Isaac,

 

The board might run you off the trail when they all wake up in the morning LOL. 

[BtownStrength]

32 minutes ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

 

[Josh]

This is what 1:40 in the morning is made for

[Hoosierfan2017]

Brad must still have dial up if it's taking him until March 2nd to docusign this contract. 

[rcbowla]

40 minutes ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

Dude....not cool

[tyappleg]

49 minutes ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

We are so back.  Lol.  Listen, you are going to get torn apart for this, but it is what it is.  

This thread is going to be hell on earth tomorrow morning, and probably the next 2 weeks now.  Godspeed to you. 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

At least February is a short month…..

[#1fanofafrin]

 

[rcbowla]

Lemme get this straight:

- SD and BS meet in NM to cook some blue meth to honor Jesse and Walter

- During the cooking or smoking they decide they need to team up and win a ship

- They then go back to their respective homes (1,000's of miles away)

- Through the next few days they take appx 28 flights between Bmgt, Miami, Bedford, Indy and Philly

- After said flights BS then begins to counter SD's contract proposal 

- SD then sends a revised contract, no BOT approval needed to BS via email to docusign....because who can make a 29th trip? Amirite?

- BS says yeppers you got a deal but I can't sign until an arbitrary date of March 2nd because I don't want it leaked. Clearly because he can't trust the guy he is agreeing to work for, for at minimum the next 6 years to keep quiet

Am I close to understanding all of this?

[MikeRoberts]

1 hour ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

Forgive me if I missed it, but why did he tell Goodman that he was not a candidate for the IU job? 

[tyappleg]

45 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Forgive me if I missed it, but why did he tell Goodman that he was not a candidate for the IU job? 

The most rose colored glasses view is that if Steven's had already verbally agreed to the job and has the contract he wouldn't technically be a candidate at that point; the job would be his. 

I don't think he would do that to Goodman personally, but if he didn't want any info getting out, you would have to be tricky with your words, similar to that. 

 

[HinnyHoosier]

2 hours ago, Trish said:

Isaac,

 

The board might run you off the trail when they all wake up in the morning LOL. 

I'm working nights this week so it's been hell trying to keep up with this board after sleeping all day. Here comes another one....

[Truthhurts]

3 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

Lmao

[BtownStrength]

56 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

I'm working nights this week so it's been hell trying to keep up with this board after sleeping all day. Here comes another one....

Same here. Nearing the end of a shift right now and I know when I wake up at 4PM there will probably be 50 pages 

[str8baller]

Today’s the day! The All-star game. The last hump we have to get over before he signs!

[HinnyHoosier]

24 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Today’s the day! The All-star game. The last hump we have to get over before he signs!

Speaking of humps and all star games....

How about Mac McClung dunking over anything he wanted last night. Definitely could have made it over the hump. Off topic, sorry. But dang.

 

[Home Jersey]

Can we just ban Isaac for obvious trolling I mean it’s verging on cruelty at this point lol 

[Pagoda]

9 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

We also have nothing to lose and have a crappy program….. beard or not…. Just putting things into perspective. 

The University and its fans continue to hold onto this outdated perception of the programs value and status in the college basketball world. We have accomplished little to nothing over the last 30+ years….. so little that the only people who view us as a blueblood are Indiana fans and people like Dick Vitale….

The elitist attitude and moral superiority of the university and fans, is frustrating. It’s really wearing thin on me, honestly. 

So many of the fans refuse to extend grace to any coach with any known past transgressions. As if they are completely irredeemable…There are people on this site who still despise Kelvin Sampson and would adamantly say they wouldn’t want him. 

I’m not calling you out individually. I appreciate a lot of your posts and perspective on most things. Again…Just exhausted from people not extending any grace to anyone that’s not a saint.

The way I see it, is that IU doesn’t have anything to lose. We are at the absolute rock bottom, when you consider our history and where we are now. We’ve won 5 titles,  haven’t won one in nearly 40 years, and have no legitimate reasons to believe we will be able to compete for one in the next 2-5 years….. or beyond… unless this hire is absolutely nailed. 

If we hire a guy that’s is clearly below Beards level, than I personally don’t know that I’ll be able to give much more attention and support to the program. It will be officially dead to me. I’m sick of the false hope. I need to see action at this point. 

Respect to anyone who sees it differently. 

I get your point, and I would agree our on court results over the last 20-25 years have been horrible.  We are crappy on the court.  Ole Miss has a better team than we do.  So do a ton of programs.  I think our on court results have been so bad we aren't a blue blood anymore.  We're not really relevant in the world of college basketball at this point.  I don't think I have an elitist view of our program's results.

I disagree on the program's value and not having anything to lose.  Despite our struggles, we are somehow, and I don't know how, top-10 in attendance and revenue, and therefore top-10 in program value.  The last Forbes list had us as the #3 most valuable program and the last Wall St. Journal list had us #5.  Basically, we still have a lot of fans/donors who spend money.  Yes, fans are losing interest, but we still have a ton of fans, more than most schools who are better than us on the court.

Ole Miss is a tiny program, probably #50+ in program value with very little fan interest when they hired Beard.  Therefore, they had quite a bit less to lose than someone like IU, or our "peers" that didn't look at Beard in their hiring processes like UK and UL.  A school with some prestige on their brand like UM didn't consider him either.  That's why I don't think one can say he worked for Ole Miss therefore he works for us.

As for Chris Beard himself, I've never met him.  If I was running this process I would dig into everything that happened -- call Texas, check with PIs and police, talk with Chris... get the whole story.  Maybe he has changed and is hirable, I don't know.  From what I hear that's not the case, but I would find out, maybe he's fine.  If Scott and Pam did this and got comfortable with him, I would support him.  But I don't find this part of it to be particularly relevant to our coaching search.

What I do find relevant, regardless of who Beard is today, is how difficult he is to hire.  The media coverage of the hire will talk about the DV issues and how IU got comfortable with it, and fair or unfair IU's morals/ethics will get questioned -- that's hard for the university to stomach.  As mentioned above, we still have a very valuable program due to the size of our fanbase/donors.  Hire him and there will be some immediate and material division with the valuable fanbase/donors.  And if he does something at IU, that would do very serious damage to our program, completely embarrass the entire university, and the people who hired him are getting fired.  Yes there is upside if he wins, but I think it's important to recognize that IUBB, despite how bad we are on the court, still has a lot to lose, and he brings some big downside risks that no other candidate does.

He's a good to very good coach, but I doubt he is so much better than other candidates, even our down the list options, that IUBB becomes hard to support if we don't hire him.  We'll see.  A good coach plugged into our top-5 NIL should be able to do well.  Unfortunately, we have like the worst coach possible right now.

For the folks who like Chris Beard and want to hire him, okay fine I don't want to get into that, I'm just presenting some big picture considerations.

I am still optimistic Scott gets us a coach that restores IUBB.  Maybe I am wrong on Beard and he is the right risk/reward for IUBB, it's possible.  In the end, this is just an entertaining discussion about an interesting aspect of our search for a coach and the above is one anon's prediction for people to take or leave.