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6 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Amazing non on that never ever became public. Just how in the world can you hide something like that.

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Background checks are fun especially for high level jobs.  My firm called people I gave them names to and people I did not.  People talk.  Good and bad.  It’s what they are hired to do.  There were reports that Louisville and Kentucky found more instances of stuff through their process.   Record searches, interviews, etc.   People talk especially when something bad happens and becomes known. 

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1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

I personally like McCollum but it’s too risky of a hire to make in the NIL era. Gotta get a guy who can leverage the $$ quickly to get wins.

Why do you think McCollum doesn’t know or can’t figure out how to use money to pay players? 

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43 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If the best that IU basketball can do is Ben McCollum, it’s a depressing as hell signal that IU basketball is a middle of the road basketball program so far removed from “blueblood” status. Maybe McCollum is the boy wonder that many on here have convinced themselves of, but IU basketball shouldn’t have to take that chance. How does the program go from allegedly offering Brad Stevens $10+ million a year to McCollum being the next option? 

Name the last "blueblood" program or any program that has convinced a coach to willingly leave his current top 25 team to take over their program.  The only one I can think of is Roy Williams and that was a dream job situation.  All this Few, Stevens,Pearl talk is most likely just silly dreaming. But McCollum, McDermott and the like type hires would not be a woe is me the sky is falling situation, well other than for the eeyores of this world.

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11 minutes ago, hoosierhoo said:

Hornsby just showed up. Team Wallow is rallying.

I wasn't going to name names...

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1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

I think you'd have to surround McCollum with at least one elite recruiter, just to get him up to speed on that front.

Well sure, but I do not see that in the same situation as what they did with Woody.  McCollum is smart enough to do this on his own.  Woody needed people there to hold his hand about everything college related.  

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Just now, Silat Player said:

IU basketball is more akin to Alabama football. It is located in a fertile recruting ground and has a lot of resources, along with a rabid fanbase. 

It is also a high-pressure job that has eaten-up and spit-out more than a few coaches. 

However, if you hire the right coach, the program can win big. The comparisons to Nebraska football have always been dumb. 

I think this search will say a lot about whether Nebraska or Alabama is the better analogy. Do we get our Nick Saban, or our Mike Riley?

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1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Why do you think McCollum doesn’t know or can’t figure out how to use money to pay players? 

Bigger issue may be players not wanting to play his style.

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14 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

So beard is out? Unreal.

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He was never in. This thread is comical.

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1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

The vetting must have turned sour quickly!

IU talked and vetted Beard well before yesterday. Rabby probably got the info from IU after Goodman's tweet once Beard's name instantly went to the top of the list for many. 

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2 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

IU basketball is more akin to Alabama football. It is located in a fertile recruting ground and has a lot of resources, along with a rabid fanbase. 

It is also a high-pressure job that has eaten-up and spit-out more than a few coaches. 

However, if you hire the right coach, the program can win big. The comparisons to Nebraska football have always been dumb. 

UT football is a good comparison which has turned around the last couple years.  We just need a good coach and the sky is the limit.

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So... you all have watched a lot of Drake this year to have these informed opinions on McCollum, I assume? 

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33 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

I know it's been said before in the past, but I'll bring it up again.  The IUBB and Nebraska football mirror each other with the uphill battle to return to prominence.  I'm really starting to temper my expectations at this point.

You are correct in that comparison, excellent point. Similarities in extremely poor coaching hires after the legendary coach and losing their identity. Neb unable to run the ball or play defense!? IU unable to shoot or hit FT's!? 

IUBB does have the advantage of a much stronger recruiting base. Neb FB needs most of their skill talent from Florida, Texas where they compete with everyone, IUBB could still do well pulling most of their roster from within 4-5hrs of campus. I'd also say basketball is easier to build & maintain. Which makes the last 30yrs all the more discouraging......

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26 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Brownell/Turgeon wallow in misery day on BTB

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4 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said:

Has anybody else been following CurryHicksSage on twitter? He's been hosting hours long coaching search season spaces every couple of nights. He's definitely plugged in, especially when it comes to low and mid major jobs. Very, very interesting to listen to. 

I'll try to summarize what he's said that pertains to IU. He's definitely getting info from the agent and search firm side of things. He's very transparent about where his sources come from and how reliable they may or may not be and is open about the fact that some people may be using him to plant smokescreens/disinfo.

1. On Friday and again last night he said the 2 names he's been hearing most related to the IU search are Brownell and McCollum. This could just be agents pushing things or where the search firm is on the vetting list.

2. On Brownell: he says according to a coach who worked with Brownell, he has one of the largest playbooks in D1 and it takes his teams forever to learn his offense. So in his opinion, he doesn't expect IU admin or fans to have the patience for a 3-4 year implementation plus the inevitable portal turnover setting things back. He doesn't see Brownell as a very good fit for IU.

3. On McCollum: He's an enormous fan of the guy and has been advocating for him for a few years now. Says McCollum is a pure ball coach -- "savant" level. But he makes a very compelling argument that the higher you go up the coaching ladder, the less the X's and O's matter. Still matters, but upper level jobs require coaches to be so much more than just ball coaches. And he points out that especially at Indiana, you have to be a politician/salesman as well. So he doesn't think McCollum is a good fit for IU either. Also notes McCollum was very careful about selecting which D1 job to step into and doesn't expect him to jump right to an IU level job. Notes that moving from Drake to IU is a much bigger step than moving from D2 to Drake.

4. His opinion is that IU should go after Wade but he doesn't think he'll be an option because IU wants a "clean" hire. Thinks Wade ends up at NC State.

Take it all with a grain of salt but the info lines up with what other sources have said this past week but moreover, the analysis is spot on, IMO. 

Personally, I'm on the Brad train until it derails but I wanted to share this info since it's out there and like I said, this guy seems very connected.

Thanks for this. In particular, I think the points about McCollum are insightful.

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1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

So... you all have watched a lot of Drake this year to have these informed opinions on McCollum, I assume? 

He’s had a thread since either before this season or like 3-4 games in… lot of people here have been following Drake this year

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11 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Amazing none of that never ever became public. Just how in the world can you hide something like that.

 

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Great Coach - Personality would be the best fit for IU... Skeletons in the closet. IF McCollum says no... swallow your pride IU and hire Beard

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4 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

So... you all have watched a lot of Drake this year to have these informed opinions on McCollum, I assume? 

The style of play criticism of McCollum is nonsense in my opinion. Really excellent coaches adjust their style of play to their personnel and competition. If McCollum is truly a coaching savant he would do exactly that.

The legit criticism of McCollum is program management - NIL budget, high school and portal recruiting, agent interaction, large staff management, booster and fanbase interactions. Not saying he couldn't do that well, but he has pretty much zero experience in those tasks.

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"X" f/k/a Twitter is down that can mean only 1 thing.   Dolson is sending out hundred of tweets announcing our new coach.  Or, it could be something else

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Just now, Stuhoo said:

The style of play criticism of McCollum is nonsense in my opinion. Really excellent coaches adjust their style of play to their personnel and competition. If McCollum is truly a coaching savant he would do exactly that.

The legit criticism of McCollum is program management - NIL budget, recruiting, agent interaction, large staff management, high school recruiting, portal recruiting. Not saying he couldn't do that, but he has pretty much zero experience doing so.

And so will anyone else that’s likely to take the IU job. It’s a different animal. 

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15 minutes ago, Shoes_N_Shorts said:

Tell me you've never heard of Ben McCollum without telling me...

And to add, I do watch/ follow a bit of D2 football (I have coached HS players who have gone on to that level so I like to follow their careers). 

If IU football had hired Ferris State HC : Tony Annese (3 National Titles in 4 years) I would have had the same issues I have with McCollum. and that's with IU Football at the time having a decimal point of the expectations that the basketball programs has. 

And before you ask I have already mentioned my thoughts on the Cignetti hire was positive because I thought IU needed to hire a sitting head coach. Unproven coordinators were the direction most  thought IU was going with the search. Then I was even more sold when I learned he had been on Nick Saban' staff at freaking ALABAMA, and not when they were already winning but as Saban was turning them back into a power house. Again the type of experience McCollum lacks