They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, AnotherSznOnTheBrink said:

Since you seem to possibly know these stakeholders, can you please share a message: It is now 2024, not 1984. The things Bruce Pearl has been in trouble for aren’t even illegal anymore. I would very much enjoy them making the best on court decision for this program, and to quit holding this storied program back. I’ve played for coaches that are in the Indiana HoF, and none of them are perfect, but they are all beloved. Sound familiar?

The way IUBB has been run the last 20 years, just getting a good coach would require an about face.

[AZ Hoosier]

I’m going to play Devils Advocate: is K©athy coming on here to try to steer the narrative a certain direction?
I have no idea if the things she is saying are legit or not. Kind of seem suspicious that somebody comes in out of the blue with a post like that as their first post; what’s the impetus for her to do that?

I agree. Color me suspicious.

[mdiu28]

39 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

I know several Bull fans that would help pack his bags.  

I'm one of them. 

[KathywithaC]

28 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

So it’s not the power struggle between QB and Dolson?  So why in the heck can’t we just get this done then?  Especially, if Dolson wants to move on from Woodson

I think several people, including Dolson and Woody, are grappling with the current results, the prospects for improvement, and the challenges of getting to a much better place. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that Dolson has made up his mind, and there are some others who still believe in MW. But Dolson isn’t trying to undermine Buckner or Woody by conducting some kind of shadowy PR effort. That would be counterproductive for him and could very well jeopardize both his reputation and career at IU. Plus, it’s not how he works.

[OKHOOSIER]

Interesting post that will certainly wind the board up. While Dolson and QB having a good relationship isn’t earth shattering to me at all, the IU media flip is hard to not see as orchestrated. By who? I have no idea. Only have my own anecdotal evidence. I’ve been consuming IU media online since before AC, ITH existed and Peegs was monetized, and one thing that has always been consistent, is they stay on the ship until it is clearly going down. A shift like this, in year three is totally unprecedented from what I have read first hand. Especially with the VERY REAL possibility he’s back, and their access could be neutered. Thats the only part I can’t seem to grasp. 

[JF87]

I think we may want to start being respectful of the Board of Trustees on this site.  ;-)

[CSP]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I think several people, including Dolson and Woody, are grappling with the current results, the prospects for improvement, and the challenges of getting to a much better place. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that Dolson has made up his mind, and there are some others who still believe in MW. But Dolson isn’t trying to undermine Buckner or Woody by conducting some kind of shadowy PR effort. That would be counterproductive for him and could very well jeopardize both his reputation and career at IU. Plus, it’s not how he works.

Then explain Osterman's article yesterday and every thing Rabjohns is spouting off. 

[Banksyrules]

5 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Interesting post that will certainly wind the board up. While Dolson and QB having a good relationship isn’t earth shattering to me at all, the IU media flip is hard to not see as orchestrated. By who? I have no idea. Only have my own anecdotal evidence. I’ve been consuming IU media online since before AC, ITH existed and Peegs was monetized, and one thing that has always been consistent, is they stay on the ship until it is clearly going down. A shift like this, in year three is totally unprecedented from what I have read first hand. Especially with the VERY REAL possibility he’s back, and their access could be neutered. Thats the only part I can’t seem to grasp. 

These people don't want to lose their credentials. I've never seen them this assertive with Crean, or Miller.  This is different for a group of people who don't want to ruffle feathers. 

[cleeter]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think several people, including Dolson and Woody, are grappling with the current results, the prospects for improvement, and the challenges of getting to a much better place. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that Dolson has made up his mind, and there are some others who still believe in MW. But Dolson isn’t trying to undermine Buckner or Woody by conducting some kind of shadowy PR effort. That would be counterproductive for him and could very well jeopardize both his reputation and career at IU. Plus, it’s not how he works.

For Dolson, I think Woody coming back would jeopardize his reputation and IU career more than a PR attempt. Just my 2 cents

[Tasmanian Devil]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I agree. Color me suspicious.

The part that really raised my eyebrows was the “don’t believe the personal battle between QB/Dolson”. Again it may be true but could it also be staged to steer a narrative that Quinn isn’t the bad guy? 
 

And then end with “That’s all for now”? To me it seems like somebody’s directly wanting to send THEIR message.

[CSP]

Just now, Tasmanian Devil said:

The part that really raised my eyebrows was the “don’t believe the personal battle between QB/Dolson”. Again it may be true but could it also be staged to steer a narrative that Quinn isn’t the bad guy? 
 

And then end with “That’s all for now”? To me it seems like somebody’s directly wanting to send THEIR message.

Couldn't agree more. She gave us really a big bucket of nothing. 

[Kentuckysucks]

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Then explain Osterman's article yesterday and every thing Rabjohns is spouting off. 

And Barzello.  And Goodman who recently said Woody would be back then this Tweet yesterday.  Jeff's daughter works on behalf of Dolson, right?  Anyone saying this isn't being coordinated by someone in the AD is clueless.

 

 

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Couldn't agree more. She gave us really a big bucket of nothing. 

Again, it may be an individual that does know things going on, but I need to see a lot more before I’ll be convinced this isn’t some kind of information ploy.

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Then explain Osterman's article yesterday and every thing Rabjohns is spouting off. 

It could be as simple as "they don't give a sh!t who knows how they feel."

IMO there is too much societal belief that everything is influenced/rigged. Sure, that happens and is possible. But what's also possible is that people, including reporters, act independently and without 'getting a message' from somewhere.

[KathywithaC]

19 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

I’m going to play Devils Advocate: is K(C)athy coming on here to try to steer the narrative a certain direction?

I have no idea if the things she is saying are legit or not. Kind of seem suspicious that somebody comes in out of the blue with a post like that as their first post; what’s the impetus for her to do that?

I understand your concern but I’m not here as an influencer. Some things have been suggested or even alleged that aren’t accurate and I wanted to share what I know. Your skepticism is both understandable and welcome, but that’s why I posted. If you have other questions for me, I’ll do my best to provide answers, including telling you I don’t know. I just wanted to address the Dolson versus Buckner narrative, which I don’t believe is accurate on any way for the reasons I listed, as well as a few others that I can’t confirm bit believe to be true.

[eddy4iu]

1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

People are getting way ahead of themselves. Some reality:

1. Buckner has great influence, but he’s not solely pulling the levers here, at least not in the way he did when he forced Glass’s hand on Crean;

2. Dolson is in charge, but he understands that situations like this require internal vetting and consensus before anything happens. This is a group sport;

3. There are some very important stakeholders who would need to do an “about face” on Pearl for him to be hired;

4. If he remains, Woody will shake up his staff;

5. The player defection possibility is very real, as is the Woodying;

6. Don’t believe the rumor that this is Dolson positioning himself publicly in an internal battle with QB. To be kind, that’s misinformed. To be accurate, it’s nonsense to those who know those two.

Thats all for now.

I agree with all of your points and especially with #6 - it’s just not Scott’s style.

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

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[Tasmanian Devil]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I understand your concern but I’m not here as an influencer. Some things have been suggested or even alleged that aren’t accurate and I wanted to share what I know. Your skepticism is both understandable and welcome, but that’s why I posted. If you have other questions for me, I’ll do my best to provide answers, including telling you I don’t know. I just wanted to address the Dolson versus Buckner narrative, which I don’t believe is accurate on any way for the reasons I listed, as well as a few others that I can’t confirm bit believe to be true.

Thank you for your time and honesty.

and, for God sake, hurry up and get to 10 post on here! NOBODY needs to go around with Purdue jockstrap as their moniker!

[Hoosierfan2017]

Scott (with an s) would be a lot cooler if he is putting the heat on QB. Someone needs to. He’s holding the program hostage for his buddy’s personal gain. 

[Papacap]

7 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think several people, including Dolson and Woody, are grappling with the current results, the prospects for improvement, and the challenges of getting to a much better place. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that Dolson has made up his mind, and there are some others who still believe in MW. But Dolson isn’t trying to undermine Buckner or Woody by conducting some kind of shadowy PR effort. That would be counterproductive for him and could very well jeopardize both his reputation and career at IU. Plus, it’s not how he works.

I would really like to know how, other than wishful thinking, anyone who has decision-making ability could still believe Woodson is the right man for the job. What objective results are they basing that belief on? Let’s assume that IU could get Pearl. If there are people within IU who would rather keep Woodson than hire Pearl, I’d like to see their reasoning. Loyalty to an IU legend is a poor reason.