General Coach Candidate News

[HinnyHoosier 5,567]

2 hours ago, Trish said:

Isaac,

 

The board might run you off the trail when they all wake up in the morning LOL. 

I'm working nights this week so it's been hell trying to keep up with this board after sleeping all day. Here comes another one....

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3 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

Lmao

[BtownStrength 1,443]

56 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

I'm working nights this week so it's been hell trying to keep up with this board after sleeping all day. Here comes another one....

Same here. Nearing the end of a shift right now and I know when I wake up at 4PM there will probably be 50 pages 

[str8baller 6,230]

Today’s the day! The All-star game. The last hump we have to get over before he signs!

[HinnyHoosier 5,567]

24 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Today’s the day! The All-star game. The last hump we have to get over before he signs!

Speaking of humps and all star games....

How about Mac McClung dunking over anything he wanted last night. Definitely could have made it over the hump. Off topic, sorry. But dang.

 

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Can we just ban Isaac for obvious trolling I mean it’s verging on cruelty at this point lol 

[Pagoda 2,231]

9 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

We also have nothing to lose and have a crappy program….. beard or not…. Just putting things into perspective. 

The University and its fans continue to hold onto this outdated perception of the programs value and status in the college basketball world. We have accomplished little to nothing over the last 30+ years….. so little that the only people who view us as a blueblood are Indiana fans and people like Dick Vitale….

The elitist attitude and moral superiority of the university and fans, is frustrating. It’s really wearing thin on me, honestly. 

So many of the fans refuse to extend grace to any coach with any known past transgressions. As if they are completely irredeemable…There are people on this site who still despise Kelvin Sampson and would adamantly say they wouldn’t want him. 

I’m not calling you out individually. I appreciate a lot of your posts and perspective on most things. Again…Just exhausted from people not extending any grace to anyone that’s not a saint.

The way I see it, is that IU doesn’t have anything to lose. We are at the absolute rock bottom, when you consider our history and where we are now. We’ve won 5 titles,  haven’t won one in nearly 40 years, and have no legitimate reasons to believe we will be able to compete for one in the next 2-5 years….. or beyond… unless this hire is absolutely nailed. 

If we hire a guy that’s is clearly below Beards level, than I personally don’t know that I’ll be able to give much more attention and support to the program. It will be officially dead to me. I’m sick of the false hope. I need to see action at this point. 

Respect to anyone who sees it differently. 

I get your point, and I would agree our on court results over the last 20-25 years have been horrible.  We are crappy on the court.  Ole Miss has a better team than we do.  So do a ton of programs.  I think our on court results have been so bad we aren't a blue blood anymore.  We're not really relevant in the world of college basketball at this point.  I don't think I have an elitist view of our program's results.

I disagree on the program's value and not having anything to lose.  Despite our struggles, we are somehow, and I don't know how, top-10 in attendance and revenue, and therefore top-10 in program value.  The last Forbes list had us as the #3 most valuable program and the last Wall St. Journal list had us #5.  Basically, we still have a lot of fans/donors who spend money.  Yes, fans are losing interest, but we still have a ton of fans, more than most schools who are better than us on the court.

Ole Miss is a tiny program, probably #50+ in program value with very little fan interest when they hired Beard.  Therefore, they had quite a bit less to lose than someone like IU, or our "peers" that didn't look at Beard in their hiring processes like UK and UL.  A school with some prestige on their brand like UM didn't consider him either.  That's why I don't think one can say he worked for Ole Miss therefore he works for us.

As for Chris Beard himself, I've never met him.  If I was running this process I would dig into everything that happened -- call Texas, check with PIs and police, talk with Chris... get the whole story.  Maybe he has changed and is hirable, I don't know.  From what I hear that's not the case, but I would find out, maybe he's fine.  If Scott and Pam did this and got comfortable with him, I would support him.  But I don't find this part of it to be particularly relevant to our coaching search.

What I do find relevant, regardless of who Beard is today, is how difficult he is to hire.  The media coverage of the hire will talk about the DV issues and how IU got comfortable with it, and fair or unfair IU's morals/ethics will get questioned -- that's hard for the university to stomach.  As mentioned above, we still have a very valuable program due to the size of our fanbase/donors.  Hire him and there will be some immediate and material division with the valuable fanbase/donors.  And if he does something at IU, that would do very serious damage to our program, completely embarrass the entire university, and the people who hired him are getting fired.  Yes there is upside if he wins, but I think it's important to recognize that IUBB, despite how bad we are on the court, still has a lot to lose, and he brings some big downside risks that no other candidate does.

He's a good to very good coach, but I doubt he is so much better than other candidates, even our down the list options, that IUBB becomes hard to support if we don't hire him.  We'll see.  A good coach plugged into our top-5 NIL should be able to do well.  Unfortunately, we have like the worst coach possible right now.

For the folks who like Chris Beard and want to hire him, okay fine I don't want to get into that, I'm just presenting some big picture considerations.

I am still optimistic Scott gets us a coach that restores IUBB.  Maybe I am wrong on Beard and he is the right risk/reward for IUBB, it's possible.  In the end, this is just an entertaining discussion about an interesting aspect of our search for a coach and the above is one anon's prediction for people to take or leave.

[JSHoosier 21,365]

9 hours ago, Motley's said:

The really cool part was when Dolson tracked down the Breaking Bad RV. He and Brad drove it to Roswell NM where they were abducted by aliens and forced to watch the last eight years of IU basketball. 

Being forced to watch the last 8 years would 100% be a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

[Juwan Moye 559]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Being forced to wstch the last 8 years would 100% be a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

“What do you mean they don’t shoot the 3, don’t guard the 3, and even though they’re always bigger can’t rebound either!?”

[JSHoosier 21,365]

8 hours ago, go iu bb said:

I don't know about all of you, but I hope that whomever IU ends up hiring has a head. A headless coach probably wouldn't do too well.

Not much worse than the last 8 years.

[JSHoosier 21,365]

8 hours ago, P92 said:

Just to make sure I have everything right. BS and SD go to New Mexico to tour the set of breaking bad. Driving back to the airport, they locate a large hammer in a cratered field with a crimson trident symbol on it. Dozens of college coaches are attempting to lift it but none can. BS tries and succeeds because he alone is worthy to possess the power of Knight. But suddenly, black SUVs arrive with men in sunglasses claiming to be agents of a secret agency—SHIELD OF 68. BS is spirited away in a SUV and then later has a press conference where he seeming to be under duress reads a prepared statement saying that he’s not iron man—-I mean, not a candidate for the IU position. Only one reporter named Goodman is invited to the press conference. He reports this. Later someone who looks like BS is seen at the all-star game eating popcorn and hanging out with Samuel L. Jackson, who is wearing a Boiler-up eye patch.

Close, it was actually a chair not a hammer.

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5 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

[HoosierAccipiter 150]

5 hours ago, BtownStrength said:

 

This!

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6 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

 

[JSHoosier 21,365]

6 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

I'd love to be wrong but I don't buy this.

Going from signing Monday so he can enjoy the All Star breaking to March 2 when there'd still be a little over a month of NBA season left. I don't buy the length of 6 years either. He could sign and nothing be announced yet. IF that were true changing date sounds like dragging it out to see who might buy the Celtics or let them counter.

The NIL and assistant pool I could see, but are the only parts that pass the smell test to me.

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At this point, whether the prognostications of BS come to fruition, or not. Whether IU rolls the dice on Beard. Whether they can pull May away after a year at Michigan. Whether they go with a grizzled veteran with a lowere-than-desired-ceiling or a hot up-and-comer…

…this board have provided ample entertainment and WAY too much of a time suck.  Chris, AP, Isaac, Zion - keep ‘em coming. 

Edited Sunday at 12:20 PM by HoosierAccipiter

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6 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

 

[Ghost of Rick Majerus 1,059]

8 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

We also have nothing to lose and have a crappy program….. beard or not…. Just putting things into perspective. 

The University and its fans continue to hold onto this outdated perception of the programs value and status in the college basketball world. We have accomplished little to nothing over the last 30+ years….. so little that the only people who view us as a blueblood are Indiana fans and people like Dick Vitale….

The elitist attitude and moral superiority of the university and fans, is frustrating. It’s really wearing thin on me, honestly. 

So many of the fans refuse to extend grace to any coach with any known past transgressions. As if they are completely irredeemable…There are people on this site who still despise Kelvin Sampson and would adamantly say they wouldn’t want him. 

I’m not calling you out individually. I appreciate a lot of your posts and perspective on most things. Again…Just exhausted from people not extending any grace to anyone that’s not a saint.

The way I see it, is that IU doesn’t have anything to lose. We are at the absolute rock bottom, when you consider our history and where we are now. We’ve won 5 titles,  haven’t won one in nearly 40 years, and have no legitimate reasons to believe we will be able to compete for one in the next 2-5 years….. or beyond… unless this hire is absolutely nailed. 
 

If we hire a guy that’s is clearly below Beards level, than I personally don’t know that I’ll be able to give much more attention and support to the program. It will be officially dead to me. I’m sick of the false hope. I need to see action at this point. 
 

Respect to anyone who sees it differently. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Fantastic post. I could not agree with you more. 

As a fan, I love this program and think it's special. But most folks outside of our fan circle don't view it that way anymore. And why would they? The last 30 years haven't been great. 

 

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7 hours ago, BlueDevil said:

Texas is about to blow him up at the end of the year too lol 

They renovated Hector’s bombed out room and Scott is personally dropping Woody off there as soon as we lose in the BTT. 

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Before I retired, I was involved in high level negotiations at my company for personnel decisions. It was nothing like the money/position we are talking about here, and nothing ever leaked on our end until it was done. The biggest red flag to the update are the actual details. What moron who knew them would talk? But, some people are addicted to hopium.