Jump to content

Thanks for visiting BtownBanners.com!  We noticed you have AdBlock enabled.  While ads can be annoying, we utilize them to provide these forums free of charge to you!  Please consider removing your AdBlock for BtownBanners or consider signing up to donate and help BtownBanners stay alive!  Thank you!






Sign in to follow this  

Analysis: Is Kevin Wilson on the hot seat?


IndyHutch
  • I keep reading comments that people believe that Indiana football coach Kevin Wilson is on the hot seat in his fifth year with the Hoosiers. No winning seasons in the first four and a dismal Big Ten record have IU fans a little bit restless. Here's my take on the topic.

I keep hearing the sentiment that the 2015 season is a big year for Kevin Wilson.

IU football needs to win and it needs to win now.

More to the point, Indiana needs to go to a bowl game or Wilson may not be leading the Hoosiers in 2016.

While I understand the frustrations of Indiana football fans and the bowl-game-or-bust mentality, I’m just not in that do-or-die camp just yet when it comes to IU’s fifth-year coach.

Yes, Wilson’s 14-34 overall record in four seasons at IU is certainly not something to get excited about. Even worse is the Big Ten record in that span of 6-26.

Should the IU alumni and its fans expect more? Absolutely. But having expectations and seeing immediate results are often two different things.

I also think that IU athletic director Fred Glass is a strong believer that Wilson is the right guy for the job. He thinks Wilson can get the Hoosiers over the top.

All of that aside, I also get how Indiana fans are so tired of being told, ‘Be patient, be patient.’ Patience only goes so far. I remember a poster that was sold at a local convenience store when I was growing up that showed two vultures sitting in a tree looking down on a herd of animals below. One vulture is saying to the other, “Patience my ass, I want to kill something.’’

And yes, Indiana fans are tired of being patient when it comes to football.

The unfortunate reality is that it’s not going to be easy. Sure, IU’s recruiting classes of late have been some of the school’s best in many years. But that’s almost not a fair comparison. The reality there is that some of those old classes were so bad that it’s almost surprising that Indiana was able to win any games at all.

Recent classes have been better but it’s not like Indiana is pulling in a large number of four and five star recruits. The norm is a bunch of three’s and an occasional four-star sprinkled in.

IU also has an incredibly small margin of error. As we talked about with the J-Shun Harris situation, IU can survive a couple of player losses like that but it can’t lose its top skill players and have a chance to compete in the Eastern Division of the Big Ten. One big loss like Nate Sudfeld a year ago was simply too much for the Hoosiers to overcome.

The other problem for Indiana is the fact that it plays in a division that also includes Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. In order for Indiana to get to a bowl other than something like the Polian Weedeater Bowl (although that is still better than no bowl), IU will have to get to the point where it can beat one or two of those four teams on a somewhat consistent basis.

If not, that margin for error shrinks. Now you go back to that formula where you must win all of your non-conference games and then find a way to win a couple of Big Ten games. And that will soon get more difficult when the Big Ten goes to a schedule where teams will play nine conference and three non-conference games.

So I guess my take on Wilson is pretty simple. As long as Indiana doesn’t do a complete belly flop this year (something that could always force an athletic director’s hand), I think Wilson will likely be back beyond the 2015 season.

That may not be the news that some Indiana fans want to hear but I think it’s the truth. The problem with making a change is that when you do so you often have to wait another three or four years before the new coach gets his own players and has a chance to be successful.

Wilson, in his fifth year, now has his own players and Indiana fans simply have to hope that those players are good enough to get Indiana to just its second bowl game in more than 20 years.

@IndySportsHutch

Sign in to follow this  


User Feedback

Recommended Comments



So he was to anticipate that two backup QBs would skedaddle?  That's practically unheard of.

 

If they left because they were unhappy being backups, he failed to find a guy willing to be a backup till his time came. 

 

Since its practically unheard of it was probably more likely due to his team management skills

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

If they left because they were unhappy being backups, he failed to find a guy willing to be a backup till his time came. 

 

Since its practically unheard of it was probably more likely due to his team management skills

lol  Your fantasy world is amazing...i bet you travel through the mystical seven levels of the Candy Cane Forest, and through the sea of swirly twirly gum drops.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

lol  Your fantasy world is amazing...i bet you travel through the mystical seven levels of the Candy Cane Forest, and through the sea of swirly twirly gum drops.

 

Mature.  Very good example for the board. 

 

But despite your making light of Wilsons failings, he still failed to construct a well rounded team that could sustain injuries and still be competitive. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Mature.  Very good example for the board. 

 

But despite your making light of Wilsons failings, he still failed to construct a well rounded team that could sustain injuries and still be competitive. 

 

Thanks, I thought it was pretty comical myself!  I guess your single dimensional outlook is what this board really needs.  Good to know.  I'll try to reform my viewpoints to match that of yours.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks, I thought it was pretty comical myself!  I guess your single dimensional outlook is what this board really needs.  Good to know.  I'll try to reform my viewpoints to match that of yours.

 

Nah I am sure what the board really needs is a moderator that mocks people for having an opinion different than him. 

 

Yes the assertion that a guy who has a 14-44(High school and College) record as a head football coach might in fact be a bad coach is so ludicrous it should be mocked. 

 

Clearly his problems as a head coach are the indeed the program itself even though his two predecessors had much more success. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nah I am sure what the board really needs is a moderator that mocks people for having an opinion different than him.

Yes the assertion that a guy who has a 14-44(High school and College) record as a head football coach might in fact be a bad coach is so ludicrous it should be mocked.

Clearly his problems as a head coach are the indeed the program itself even though his two predecessors had much more success.


This isn't even the argument at hand. Not at all. Not even close. Stick to the specific argument and we can talk.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

This isn't even the argument at hand. Not at all. Not even close. Stick to the specific argument and we can talk.

 

Dude you are the one who started mocking me versus responding to the post at hand.  And the topic is about Kevin Wilson being on the hot seat.  Seems obvious that his failings as a coach would be on topic in that sort of a discussion. 

 

14-44 record as a head coach

Failure to build a complete team including depth

Poor hires that led to the worst defense in Big Ten History

Lets not forget the players messing around with drugs. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dude you are the one who started mocking me versus responding to the post at hand.  And the topic is about Kevin Wilson being on the hot seat.  Seems obvious that his failings as a coach would be on topic in that sort of a discussion. 

 

14-44 record as a head coach

Failure to build a complete team including depth

Poor hires that led to the worst defense in Big Ten History

Lets not forget the players messing around with drugs. 

 

I agree with some of your very valid points, but at the end of the day I am not ready to say fire Wilson. I think you've had enough of him and nothing he does this season will change your opinion of his coaching abilities. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that Wilson is not a bad coach (he's no Urban Meyer but still better than we've had before) and the program is heading in the right direction.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree with some of your very valid points, but at the end of the day I am not ready to say fire Wilson. I think you've had enough of him and nothing he does this season will change your opinion of his coaching abilities. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that Wilson is not a bad coach (he's no Urban Meyer but still better than we've had before) and the program is heading in the right direction.

 

i think that's where this discussion always hits a dead end. There are some who don't think the program is headed in the right direction and there are others that do. From a pure wins and losses standpoint, it would be hard to make that argument. But in terms of getting yourself to a point where you can be competitive in one of the toughest college football divisions in the country can't be completely discounted either. As I've said before, I'm in the camp that I think the program is headed in the right direction despite the fact that we haven't seen the results yet. But I still think IU, at some level, will have success very soon in football -- with Kevin Wilson as the head coach.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nah I am sure what the board really needs is a moderator that mocks people for having an opinion different than him. 

 

Yes the assertion that a guy who has a 14-44(High school and College) record as a head football coach might in fact be a bad coach is so ludicrous it should be mocked. 

 

Clearly his problems as a head coach are the indeed the program itself even though his two predecessors had much more success. 

 

 

You trying to say Lynch and Hep are better than Wilson?

 

Hep wasn't around long enough to know but appeared to be good so I can give you that much.

Lynch took over a good team and thoroughly ran it into the ground.  Made seniority the determining factor in playing time and had an entire program full of players that felt entitled.  Had more success but left Wilson with a program in worse shape than when he found it.

 

Hard to know if Wilson really wanted Mallory on his staff or if it was forced on him due to his dad being the former coach but he at least has addressed the issue and brought in a DC with a history of success.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

So he was to anticipate that two backup QBs would skedaddle? That's practically unheard of.


Yes I agree it's unheard of and unfortunate. And it's easy to play MMQB. All I am saying is other programs are able to keep depth. So let's say there was nothing that could be done with Coffman and Tre. I also think there was a mistake not recruiting a legitimate QB prospect in both the 2013 and 2014 classes. Case in point, what happens if Sudfeld gets hurt again? I like Austin King a lot, but it would be awfully nice to have had a QB recruit of his caliber from each the '13 and '14 classes.

Regardless, I am very excited about King and Ramsey as fits in CKW's offense. I just pray Sudfeld can go 12 games healthy.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

i think that's where this discussion always hits a dead end. There are some who don't think the program is headed in the right direction and there are others that do. From a pure wins and losses standpoint, it would be hard to make that argument. But in terms of getting yourself to a point where you can be competitive in one of the toughest college football divisions in the country can't be completely discounted either. As I've said before, I'm in the camp that I think the program is headed in the right direction despite the fact that we haven't seen the results yet. But I still think IU, at some level, will have success very soon in football -- with Kevin Wilson as the head coach.

 

Actually I am very much in the camp this is Wilsons year to prove himself.  I just unlike other people don't think that a Coach should get an extension at the first sign of proving hes not incompetent. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

But we're back to another discussion then. If Wilson and IU have a good season this year, then what do you do? I just don't think you can sit back and not do anything which is what I believe you're suggesting. I just don't think you can recruit with that perceived lack of support from the administration. If this is, as you said, Wilson's year to prove himself, then if he is successful in that you have to acknowledge it in a tangible way.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes I agree it's unheard of and unfortunate. And it's easy to play MMQB. All I am saying is other programs are able to keep depth. So let's say there was nothing that could be done with Coffman and Tre. I also think there was a mistake not recruiting a legitimate QB prospect in both the 2013 and 2014 classes. Case in point, what happens if Sudfeld gets hurt again? I like Austin King a lot, but it would be awfully nice to have had a QB recruit of his caliber from each the '13 and '14 classes.

Regardless, I am very excited about King and Ramsey as fits in CKW's offense. I just pray Sudfeld can go 12 games healthy.

IIRC the problem in getting a college ready QB in 2013 and '14 was to due to the fact that we had three proven starters with several years of eligibility left. Made it hard to recruit to that position because recruits looked at it and seen 3 proven guys ahead of them. Diamont was a project. He may be a decent college QB by the time he's done, but he was never intended to play last year. Coffman's transfer was one thing, but Roberson bailing as late as he did, left little opportunity to add a decent prospect last year. We kind of payed for stacking 3 QB's all in the same class. Hoppefully, we are taking one a year from now on and build from there. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dude you are the one who started mocking me versus responding to the post at hand.  And the topic is about Kevin Wilson being on the hot seat.  Seems obvious that his failings as a coach would be on topic in that sort of a discussion. 

 

14-44 record as a head coach

Failure to build a complete team including depth

Poor hires that led to the worst defense in Big Ten History

Lets not forget the players messing around with drugs. 

Your first point, I don't even pay much attention to. One season as a HS head coach and you want to include that? That's pretty creative use of statistics. I think the discussion on his record at IU has already been had in this thread.

 

Second point. Show me a time since Bill Mallory was coach that we've had this much depth? And improving. At this point offensively we seem to be stacking depth up pretty good. Defense is starting to catch up, but that always takes longer than the offense. The only position we may really be hurting this year is at CB.

 

Third. One poor hire. Doug. I'm with iuswingman on that one. Not sure he didn't get that one pushed on him. Regardless, from what I can see, he seems to have rectified that very well.

 

Four. Good grief. You just discounted every coach in every sport, at every school with the possible exception of the three time world champion Tiddlywinks team from Little Sisters of the Poor. And I heard the team captain there huffed glue once.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Your first point, I don't even pay much attention to. One season as a HS head coach and you want to include that? That's pretty creative use of statistics. I think the discussion on his record at IU has already been had in this thread.

 

Second point. Show me a time since Bill Mallory was coach that we've had this much depth? And improving. At this point offensively we seem to be stacking depth up pretty good. Defense is starting to catch up, but that always takes longer than the offense. The only position we may really be hurting this year is at CB.

 

Third. One poor hire. Doug. I'm with iuswingman on that one. Not sure he didn't get that one pushed on him. Regardless, from what I can see, he seems to have rectified that very well.

 

Four. Good grief. You just discounted every coach in every sport, at every school with the possible exception of the three time world champion Tiddlywinks team from Little Sisters of the Poor. And I heard the team captain there huffed glue once.

 

The team captain there "allegedly' huffed glue once. And that was their junior year. They returned to lead them to the world championship as seniors. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 pages deep on a football thread... LOVE IT.

Hopefully during the season we will have some longer ones, but it will be because we are winning, not discussing if this is the last year for the coach! :)  Of course it is IU, so every thread we start concerning the two major sports turns into a "time to make a change at the top" thread. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was on the Query & Schultz Show on 1260 WNDE AM Friday afternoon talking IU football and Btownbanners (He let me do a shout out a couple of times telling people to sign up by the way) but to your point, he had three basic questions and of course one had to do with Kevin Wilson's future. He asked me on a scale of 1 to 10 just how important was the season to Kevin Wilson's future. And so I basically was able to regurgitate this thread to an extent. But it's true. When it comes to IU football (and even basketball) that's always one of the first questions people will ask. With IU, it's Sudfeld, Kevin Wilson and in today's case Antonio Allen. Oh well. it is what it is.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites

So my post gets deleted he gets to edit his. That some bs

Hutch I get that Wilson may understand football extremely well. But that doesn't make him a leader. Yeah you have to be a leader to be a successful coach.

And the problems we are seeing shenanigans off the field and inconsistent play on the field tell me the problem is with leadership.

And while he understands football I think the pressure of the games gets to him and hinders his decisions.

Understanding how something works and getting it to work are 2 very different things. And historically Wilson has not been able to win the game of football. He went winless in his stint as a high school coach for gods sake.

I get that Wilson came into a tough situation. But at the end of the day after 4 years we are still completely reliant on our QBs health and a cakewalk ooc schedule to have any chance at a bowl.

Did KW steal your girlfriend or something? We have had minimal off the field issues. If you expect none, well, I can't imagine a team that is suitable for you to follow.

And when you start using his first coaching job at a HS as an indication of his coaching ability, then I really don't see how it's worth my time to continue discussing this any further with you.

Share this comment


Link to comment
Share on other sites



Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
















×