They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[ib4iu]

Are these players 1099 or IU employees? How does it work? Wasn’t sure if the collectives had to funnel through the university. If that were the case, and they were employees of a public university earning so much, wouldn’t that have to be public information?

[OKHOOSIER]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

I'll get some pushback from many of you for this: Free-market determining the value of players is a reasonable, dare I say "good" thing.

I'll bite lol, except that "free-market" isn't determining the value of Leal, Banks or Gunn. We are. We are setting a market price that no one will come close to meeting. It is like giving a coach no one else wants a 1 million dollar raise for mediocre results.. Otherwise, I completely agree with you. On a personal level, if IU is dumb enough to give a guy who barely plays six figures, I am not going to fault the player, in fact, I would support them-- get that money. It is the program that is at fault. 

[cleeter]

3 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

I wonder if when Dolson had player meetings if he was like “if any of you who want to leave, do you think you’d stay if I was able to land this guy..”, or if they truly do want to play for Woodson, or are fine with just getting a pay bump to play for him again. I thought I saw someone mention maybe some of the players are gonna wait out deciding on entering the portal based on if we end up getting a new coach that they’d be willing to stay for. 

I have some of my own personal thoughts on my boss here, but if was willing to offer me a pay raise on my yearly salary to send a company wide email about him, i would have that baby typed up pronto

[Hovadipo]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'll get some pushback from many of you for this: Free-market determining the value of players is a reasonable, dare I say "good" thing.

Pocket watching is never a good look. Welcome to the real world, folks!

[iu eyedoc]

Kinda sad how MW and QB are becoming despised and reviled figures at IU. Funny thing is all it would take was MW saying, " I did my best to get IU back on the right path and I think making the NCAA's the first 2 years was a good start. Now it is time for me to retire and  hand the baton to the next guy to take this team to the next level," and he would almost instantly return to every fans good graces.

 

He obviously doesn't like the necessities of the job, not sure what his end game is  if not to go out in a flaming bag of a dogsh*t of a season, or is he that oblivious to the situtation?

[JSHoosier]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I 100% think the ejection came because he was still pouting from being asked to retire. 

Well that'd be real mature.

[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, iu eyedoc said:

Kinda sad how MW and QB are becoming despised and reviled figures at IU. Funny thing is all it would take was MW saying, " I did my best to get IU back on the right path and I think making the NCAA's the first 2 years was a good start. Now it is time for me to retire and  hand the baton to the next guy to take this team to the next level," and he would almost instantly return to every fans good graces.

 

He obviously doesn't like the necessities of the job, not sure what his end game is  if not to go out in a flaming bag of a dogsh*t of a season, or is he that oblivious to the situtation?

This is IU, we'd probably just end up with Rosemond or someone.

[Chris007]

10 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

I wonder if when Dolson had player meetings if he was like “if any of you who want to leave, do you think you’d stay if I was able to land this guy..”, or if they truly do want to play for Woodson, or are fine with just getting a pay bump to play for him again. I thought I saw someone mention maybe some of the players are gonna wait out deciding on entering the portal based on if we end up getting a new coach that they’d be willing to stay for. 

He did not bring anything like that up. He did gauge their interest in their current coach but he did it in a full team meeting so I'm guessing some players were scared to speak up. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

1 hour ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

Sorry if this has already been asked....what exactly does 2points a game get you?

What I have gather by reading this board Leal was getting 100k so 3 Xs that means 300k I guess?  If that is true Leal just needs to chill and be very thankful because he is not worth it. 

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I'll bite lol, except that "free-market" isn't determining the value of Leal, Banks or Gunn. We are. We are setting a market price that no one will come close to meeting. It is like giving a coach no one else wants a 1 million dollar raise for mediocre results.. Otherwise, I completely agree with you. On a personal level, if IU is dumb enough to give a guy who barely plays six figures, I am not going to fault the player, in fact, I would support them-- get that money. It is the program that is at fault. 

Not sure who this "we" is. IU's management has determined market price and budget, and players can counter-offer or vote with their feet.

If a school's NIL collective (in this case, IU's) is willing to pay, that's the free market determining that player's worth to a certain employer. Salary includes more than on-court performance; in the case of Leal and Galloway they are worth more to IU than other schools because they have system knowledge and home-town ties. There's no union scale in play here.

In fact, though Gunn and Bank's scholarships are guaranteed, if we want to encourage them to move on, all we have to do is let them know that their projected NIL collective money at IU next year is $10.00. 

This NIL stuff is a pretty much a pure free-market, unregulated situation. In fact, in most ways it's a 'freer' market than the economy at large.

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Well that'd be real mature.

One of the reasons I think that's why it happened

[NashvilleHoosier]

58 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

this sucks...not one of those guys are playing for the name on the front of the jersey anymore...it's about that $$$ ..... retire that mantra...it's not about "Indiana" any longer

I don’t think we can blame Indiana players for taking advantage of the current college athletics landscape/market. And if anybody is actually playing for the name on the front of the jersey, it’s Anthony Leal. 

[Hoosier987]

11 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Kinda sad how MW and QB are becoming despised and reviled figures at IU. Funny thing is all it would take was MW saying, " I did my best to get IU back on the right path and I think making the NCAA's the first 2 years was a good start. Now it is time for me to retire and  hand the baton to the next guy to take this team to the next level," and he would almost instantly return to every fans good graces.

 

He obviously doesn't like the necessities of the job, not sure what his end game is  if not to go out in a flaming bag of a dogsh*t of a season, or is he that oblivious to the situtation?

Agreed. Unfortunately with Woodson, not going to happen.

[Kentuckysucks]

7 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Kinda sad how MW and QB are becoming despised and reviled figures at IU. Funny thing is all it would take was MW saying, " I did my best to get IU back on the right path and I think making the NCAA's the first 2 years was a good start. Now it is time for me to retire and  hand the baton to the next guy to take this team to the next level," and he would almost instantly return to every fans good graces.

 

He obviously doesn't like the necessities of the job, not sure what his end game is  if not to go out in a flaming bag of a dogsh*t of a season, or is he that oblivious to the situtation?

I honestly think he's gone into full-blown burn it down/sabotage mode.  I've seen it happen before in different parts of my career when certain employees figure out they are no longer wanted.  If we all thought he was doing a decent job I think he'd be much more inclined to just retire and play golf.  

[Home Jersey]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Not sure who this "we" is.

If a school's NIL collective (in this case, IU's) is willing to pay, that's the free market determining that player's worth to a certain employer. There's no union scale in play here. In fact, though Gunn and Bank's scholarships are guaranteed, if we want to encourage them to move on, all we have to do is let them know that their projected NIL collective money at IU next year is $10.00. 

Yes, this NIL stuff is a pretty pure free-market, unregulated situation. In fact, in most ways it's a 'freer' market than the economy at large.

A "free market" is not always desirable or good. The freer the market ≠ the better the market. An appropriate amount of regulation is desirable, but also subjective. Free market discourse can easily turn political so I will leave it at that.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I should bite my tongue but I was once told I had the tact of a charging @$$ and I took it as a compliment.

So what that Leal got paid $5,833/point.  In the new norm, every scholarship player is gonna get paid.  I don't like it but it is what it is and moaning and groaning what any one player got paid is just pointless.  

The comments Trey and Anthony made at Senior Night would not have been so negatively received had not Mediocre Mike flipped off the fans and already set a bad tone.  But even at that how can everyone be so upset being told to "chill"?  I'd wager some of you have children who have told you to "chill" or a similar word and you don't give it a second thought.

If you don't make a habit of it, read through the game threads and see the comments that are directed at our players.  Not just 1 or 2 but every one of them have repeatedly been brow beaten and degraded at some point in the season.  Sure they made bonehead plays and demonstrated low bball IQ at times but for the greatest part of the season I truly believe they played as hard and as good as they could with the skill levels they have.  Not their fault roster construction was the pits.  Not their fault the style of play Woody insisted on playing didn't play to individual strengths.  And some of you are upset you were told to "chill."  In hindsight, I wish Anthony had used some kind of words far worse than "chill".  FO or KMA come to mind. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

There wasn't a player on the team this year who was making under 75K

So with tuition even the 13th scholarship player earns over 100K...oops we didn't use our last scholarship because you know "We Good" 

[rcbowla]

19 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I disagree. I think the ejection came because he couldn't stand to watch his team get destroyed by Nebraska any longer. It's an NBA/MLB move -- when things are completely derailed whisper the magic words to the refs and walk off in a huff with an early exit.

In this situation it was truly pathetic.

• I was better with 'salty Woody' venting after winning five straight that I am with 'getting @$$ kicked Woody' doing the old man shuffle off of the court instead of staying to tend to his team.

Agree. It was a coward move. You stay and endure with the rest of your team/staff. Nobody made eye contact with him on his way out either. 

[ClarkCoHoosier]

3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I don’t think we can blame Indiana players for taking advantage of the current college athletics landscape/market. And if anybody is actually playing for the name on the front of the jersey, it’s Anthony Leal. 

I agree. And sometimes players are very valuable to the team, even if they don't play a lot. I feel like Anthony is one of those players. He seems to be a leader on the team. He is like another coach on the sidelines and when he does play, he knows where everyone should be on every play. And he is a great ambassador for the school, he loves IU. I'll always be a fan of his.

[Hornsby]

I 100% think the ejection came because he was still pouting from being asked to retire. 

I just read the Ryan Phillips article. 100% spot on especially when he mentions woodsons massive ego

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