NIL and IU

[Stuhoo]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

Sometimes sunshine is the best disinfectant. 
 

Do you really believe that Sam Gilbert never told a homesick player that if they move out of UCLA then momma is going to be kicked out of that new home and the dealership is going to repossess that car they’re driving?   
 

I’m of the opinion all this has always took place (at some institutions anyways). Now we are just seeing it.  
 

Anybody remember that wannabe donor/agent/scam artist from Miami football that went to jail a while back? Now some of THOSE stories were crazy!

 

Underrated post - strongly agree with all of this!

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

47 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Underrated post - strongly agree with all of this!

 

I’m personally thrilled it’s ‘mostly’ out in the open finally.  The ‘old system’ was always a charade. At least now we have partial transparency and the veil has been lifted a little. Now we can actually work on meaningful solutions to new problems.  I think Kentucky just set the top dollar mark with the 2 million declaration.  We see what a player like pack is worth in the open market. Things will adjust and settle in my opinion. 
 

the internal chemistry things are interesting but a lot of that existed behind the curtains before all this.  

[MikeRoberts]

The thing that bothers me and is making this all so crappy is that these players are supposed to be able to capitalize on their “name” “image” “likeness” but none of that is happening.

these players are not getting deals with nerdwallet or whatever because that company actually wants to use that kid in marketing campaigns, it’s because someone that controls the budget wants to see that kid play at his/her favorite school.

So what are we doing here? This is not about “NIL” it’s about pay for play. It bothers me that “NIL” is even still being used as an acronym this early in the process.

its “PFP”

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

From Prep Scouting --

Head D1 College Coach:  “Ticket, I spoke to a NCAA enforcement staff member today & they have no idea how to regulate the NIL money. They told me to follow whatever the guidelines are by my State?!”

[HoosierAloha]

This is so shocking.. /s

Gotta make those NIL contracts tie to the college you want the player by skirting the rules. Didn’t we already have this conversation?


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I think he means he said the 'wong' things.

 

[Stuhoo]

16 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think he means he said the 'wong' things.

 

Everything he says is the Wong thing.

It’s a difficult way to live.

[str8baller]

6 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

The thing that bothers me and is making this all so crappy is that these players are supposed to be able to capitalize on their “name” “image” “likeness” but none of that is happening.

these players are not getting deals with nerdwallet or whatever because that company actually wants to use that kid in marketing campaigns, it’s because someone that controls the budget wants to see that kid play at his/her favorite school.

So what are we doing here? This is not about “NIL” it’s about pay for play. It bothers me that “NIL” is even still being used as an acronym this early in the process.

its “PFP”

Kind of destroys the name on the front of the jersey narrative, no?  In any event, I suspect like most things new it’ll go too far in the other direction and settle into a certain equilibrium.  
 

For example, a few of these big money deals will see kids flake out, get injured, or just not perform to expectations. Even alumni money is finite and people will feel like they’re not getting their moneys worth and pull back. It’ll all shake out. 

[str8baller]

26 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think he means he said the 'wong' things.

 

Lol…and there you go. Kids learning more about contract law in one NiL deal than a thousand hours of skipped business law classes.  
 

Nothing is constant but change. It’ll all work out.

[RaceToTheTop]

The NCAA has no ability to control NIL since the legislation varies from state to state.  And if they were to try to cap it, any stats whose legislation was more lenient thsn the NCAA’s would overrule it.

[HoosierHoopster]

45 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

The NCAA has no ability to control NIL since the legislation varies from state to state.  And if they were to try to cap it, any stats whose legislation was more lenient thsn the NCAA’s would overrule it.

Right. That’s the crazy thing the “regulation” is all over the place. That needs to change, but the “how” is complicated.

[GloryDays]

16 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think he means he said the 'wong' things.

 

There's bound to be some great chemistry on that Hurricane team going forward.

LOL

[DWB]

16 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think he means he said the 'wong' things.

 

Call me skeptical, but I highly doubt that the kid wrote this. Seems like PR verbiage to me. I haven't known any kids 18-22 that are this articulate. I could easily believe it was written by his parent(s), but not him. I like the phrase "highest level of character and integrity". Give me a break...he's trying to leverage the system.

[go iu bb]

Sour grapes because he didn't realize his earning potential so he agreed to what, in hindsight, turned out to be a bad deal. Feels he left money on the table. Welcome to the reality of negotiations, kid. He's learning an important lesson.

[Stuhoo]

In about 40 minutes, IUBB will officially have had no players of consequence having entered the portal, and will have retained all of the important components of the coaching staff. While adding four likely outstanding freshmen.

Good times.

 

[Brass Cannon]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

In about 40 minutes, IUBB will officially have had no players of consequence having entered the portal, and will have retained all of the important components of the coaching staff. While adding four likely outstanding freshmen.

Good times.

 

We are a TJD returning and Galloway or Geronimo developing a 3 point shot from being straight up dangerous 

[eddy4iu]

16 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

In about 40 minutes, IUBB will officially have had no players of consequence having entered the portal, and will have retained all of the important components of the coaching staff. While adding four likely outstanding freshmen.

Good times.

 

Well, actually, from the time you posted it would be about 24 hours and 39 minutes before drawing that conclusion given that the deadline to enter is 11:59 pm on 5/1. Even then schools that are informed by a player that they are entering the transfer portal have 2 days to get it logged so technically we might not hear of transfers until Tuesday. Let’s just make it to Wednesday unscathed.

 

[Feathery]

On 4/29/2022 at 2:40 PM, MikeRoberts said:

The thing that bothers me and is making this all so crappy is that these players are supposed to be able to capitalize on their “name” “image” “likeness” but none of that is happening.

these players are not getting deals with nerdwallet or whatever because that company actually wants to use that kid in marketing campaigns, it’s because someone that controls the budget wants to see that kid play at his/her favorite school.

So what are we doing here? This is not about “NIL” it’s about pay for play. It bothers me that “NIL” is even still being used as an acronym this early in the process.

its “PFP”

Which is what was happing before NIL came around. Of course NIL is pay for play. It was always going to be pay for play. And it’s an avenue for schools who follow the rules to close that gap. Not sure why that bothers you? IU people have been on this trying to get up to speed to try and catch up with the cheating schools who already had an infrastructure in place for years. After Fred Glass resigned as AD, he has been working with Cook and others to set up collectives in order to help IU recruiting. The amount of work a kid has to do at IU for their NIL deal is really minimal IMO. Put out some tweets, show up at a few events is what Race and TJD have to do to get their 6 figures. But the Indiana companies that they are representing through Hoosiers for Good have had increased traffic and donations since it was announced. So it’s not all doom and gloom. 

[MikeRoberts]

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

Which is what was happing before NIL came around. Of course NIL is pay for play. It was always going to be pay for play. And it’s an avenue for schools who follow the rules to close that gap. Not sure why that bothers you? IU people have been on this trying to get up to speed to try and catch up with the cheating schools who already had an infrastructure in place for years. After Fred Glass resigned as AD, he has been working with Cook and others to set up collectives in order to help IU recruiting. The amount of work a kid has to do at IU for their NIL deal is really minimal IMO. Put out some tweets, show up at a few events is what Race and TJD have to do to get their 6 figures. But the Indiana companies that they are representing through Hoosiers for Good have had increased traffic and donations since it was announced. So it’s not all doom and gloom. 

Student athletes and supporters have been fighting for NIL for a long time. I’m not against NIL. But that isn’t what we have here - that is the issue.

if TJD wants to sell T-Shirts that say TJD or appear in an EA college basketball video game or star in a commercial he should be able to. That notion exists upon the market wanting him for him, his NIL. Next to none of that is happening. The organic market for these players isn’t strong, what is strong is the schools artificially making a market for them based on other pretenses. That bothers me.

A player should be able to capitalize on their NIL and some organically are but the vast majority of the money being negotiated is by the schools in a pay for play scheme and that was not what was fought for nor agreed to. That makes them pros and it is no longer college/amateur. They are effectively now on salary.

Fought for NIL for decades, NIL is approved and within minutes it’s gone and replaced with PFP. We can argue that PFP has been around forever and it has but why approve NIL when what you are effectively doing is approving PFP? Just call it what it is

[Brass Cannon]

30 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Student athletes and supporters have been fighting for NIL for a long time. I’m not against NIL. But that isn’t what we have here - that is the issue.

if TJD wants to sell T-Shirts that say TJD or appear in an EA college basketball video game or star in a commercial he should be able to. That notion exists upon the market wanting him for him, his NIL. Next to none of that is happening. The organic market for these players isn’t strong, what is strong is the schools artificially making a market for them based on other pretenses. That bothers me.

A player should be able to capitalize on their NIL and some organically are but the vast majority of the money being negotiated is by the schools in a pay for play scheme and that was not what was fought for nor agreed to. That makes them pros and it is no longer college/amateur. They are effectively now on salary.

Fought for NIL for decades, NIL is approved and within minutes it’s gone and replaced with PFP. We can argue that PFP has been around forever and it has but why approve NIL when what you are effectively doing is approving PFP? Just call it what it is

The PFP you speak of did not start with NIL.  The only thing that changed was kids could talk about it openly.