They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

There were a couple of times Woody stood up, he seemed to engage for a moment and then sit back down!

Needed to save his energy for golf.

[Hovadipo]

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[Hornsby]

I’m fairness to Woodson and his staff, they always look uninspired/uninterested 

Hill always looks dead. I can't believe he is paid.

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

We should go grab Bronny in the portal.

[Trish]

Woodson mentions he needs to add some pieces. Why in the world would any transfer want to come play in this terrible system? 

[southernindianahoosier2]

Just now, Trish said:

Woodson mentions he needs to add some pieces. Why in the world would any transfer want to come play in this terrible system? 

Why would we even offer Queen? So we can play 2 bigs again???? At what point do we scrap it?

Seems like our options are, give him 1more year to figure it out and completely change EVERYTHING abut his system, or make a move for someone new... Given I think Shertz, May, Beard, and Shrews... All of whom I think were better than Holtmann, Archie, and Mack during our last search... Why wait one year for the inevitable? 

[TheWatShot]

11 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

No, you are twisting it to fit your narrative. Same as you are saying others are.

if Woody were to be replaced, we would have our 4th coach in 8 seasons.

It would also be our 4th coach in 17 seasons. 

 

But I'm the one twisting things to fit a narrative. 

[Bankshot]

- Consistently having a successful strategy/approach to the game, fundamentals, execution, and talent to be nationally competitive. 

- Being consistently ranked in the top 20 to top 10 in the nation.

- Finishing in the top 2 or 3 in the Big Ten.

- Winning at least two to three games in the NCAA tournament, annually.

Those used to be the minimally acceptable requirements for Indiana basketball.

 

Used to be.

 

[Hornsby]

Woodson mentions he needs to add some pieces. Why in the world would any transfer want to come play in this terrible system? 

He might be able to get a few players but what is the foundation.. Even if we get Queen it solves nothing. We already have a queen.

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[Alford Bailey]

1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

I think my biggest concern is if Woodson is back next year is if I will be tough enough to survive watching another season. It truly scares the he'll out of me!

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We will know by May how bad next season will be. Need 3-4 starters.

[Hornsby]

It would also be our 4th coach in 17 seasons. 

 

But I'm the one twisting things to fit a narrative. 

Yep we keep changing coaches but it's because me make bad hires. We either decide we are going to make a real hire or just stick with woodson and hope for the best. If you fire him and don't make a real huge than yes just keep him cause it won't matter. If your not serious about a legit hire it's all pointless to keep changing coaches

 

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[southernindianahoosier2]

I've seen a lot of "we can't fire Woody in year 3 because you can't just keep firing coaching every 3 years... Where's the stability".....

Stability comes from having built a strong foundation in the program. A program with a strong foundation can plug a new coach like Kevin Ollie and he can win a National Championship, fire him, and a new coach comes in and wins another national championship. Same with UNC.

How do you build a strong foundation without a practice schedule? Tom Crean could have coached at IU for 40 years and regardless of when he leaves its a "total rebuild" for the next coach. When Archie was hired he had to rebuild the way IU schedules and budgets for non-conference games. That's just 1 of 100's of things that are the makeup of a program. 

We have cracks in the foundation of the program as a whole, we're a losing program/business and it permeates every aspect at which we operate.

Thats why its always a rebuild for indiana, we haven't had a coach to make the necessary program changes or an AD to hold anyone accountable for foundational stability.

Do we expect mike woodson to care about the smallest details and take full ownership and build out a program and then communicate his vision on what he's changing to the fanbase? No.

We need a coach who wants total control and ownership of the program and runs it like the CEO. Whatever coach can come in point out what we're doing wrong and be a control freak to fix it and build a solid foundation is the one I want. 

[Trish]

9 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

He might be able to get a few players but what is the foundation.. Even if we get Queen it solves nothing. We already have a queen.

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Indiana needs about 6-7 new players in general. The bench is sad. There are zero options at the guard position to be a threat each night. I do really like Gabe, but he’s not going to be the stud Indiana needs. 

[southernindianahoosier2]

2 minutes ago, Trish said:

Indiana needs about 6-7 new players in general. The bench is sad. There are zero options at the guard position to be a threat each night. I do really like Gabe, but he’s not going to be the stud Indiana needs. 

With our history, we'll add 6 front-court players. Probably run a 5 center line-up

 

 

[Trish]

2 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

With our history, we'll add 6 front-court players. Probably run a 5 center line-up

 

 

I think he’ll want to keep Malik as the #1 option next season, which isn’t good. Liam may help but not all freshman are impact players. You can see how raw McKenzie still is. 
 

The NIL money will have to seriously talk if Indiana wants to upgrade because it won’t be the coaches that get kids to join this dumpster fire. 

[rcbowla]

We will know by May how bad next season will be. Need 3-4 starters.

Might need 5

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[Hornsby]

Indiana needs about 6-7 new players in general. The bench is sad. There are zero options at the guard position to be a threat each night. I do really like Gabe, but he’s not going to be the stud Indiana needs. 

Nope we might be an OK backup but that's it you need a major overhaul and the portal is a complete crap shoot.

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[Hornsby]

I think he’ll want to keep Malik as the #1 option next season, which isn’t good. Liam may help but not all freshman are impact players. You can see how raw McKenzie still is. 

 

The NIL money will have to seriously talk if Indiana wants to upgrade because it won’t be the coaches that get kids to join this dumpster fire. 

NIl money is great but if you are going against big boys it doesn't mean much they can match it. You can beat out a school like minnesota but not kansas

 

 

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[coonhounds]

We will know by May how bad next season will be. Need 3-4 starters.

We won't know for sure. I don't care what players we get I won't trust this staff to get them to play and shoot the ball good till I see it on the court! Been burned alot. I thought this team should be competitive jtill they stepped on the court in early November

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[JSHoosier]

If IU was actually serious, making the tourney would be absolute bare minimum expectations and the play in game would be a disappointment; it definitely wouldn't warrant a raise. Instead it's viewed as a big accomplishment and gets a pay raise.

I'll say it again, take away the name Mike Woodson and not a single person would like this hire.