They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Chris007]

6 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

No, does it change for you if he loses first round or maybe even misses it? 
 

You believe in him and want him bad. Very clear. It is also okay to acknowledge there is risk and that is a bad move to make with this program right now. 

Yes that would change for me if he misses the tourney. I would probably say wait till next year when Woody is fired. No in all seriousness I would like to see him make the Sweet 16 again then I would be solid in my believe in him. 

[Hornsby]

At this point I tend to agree. Still don't think it happens but would be on board (no pun intended) if it does.

If 2025 recruiting is dead as it sounds there is no forward momentum. He will have to build teams every year in the portal.

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[Scotty R]

Just maybe if people stop responding to a certain poster he might go away 

[HoosierHoopster]

JMO but no reason to call anyone out, it's a message board, people are going to have differing opinions sometimes strong ones, that doesn't mean they should go away.

[Demo]

24 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

And I have no problem with that and I feel most agree with your original statement. Other than Stuhoo & myself there are not a lot of people on here who would take Dusty as their first choice and I think that is OK. 

Probably true, but if something does happen with Woody I would bet on May over the field. If there’s 1 thing ‘21 made clear it was that the decision makers placed massive value on history. You don’t get to Woodson any other way. Now in 2024 you have a young successful college guy with not just IU ties but Knight ties who has a chance to solve your problem for 20 years? Ain’t no way it’s not him unless he flat doesn’t want it. If May was who he is now in ‘21, it would have been him then. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

90% of the people on here act like they know things they don’t and they are the smartest guys in the room. Difference is those people align with your thoughts so you don’t see that. 
 

All day long it is the same things and anyone who says anything opposing it is an idiot. 

You are back to the point where you really need to do some self analyzing.  I personally disagree with a lot of things that people say and don't think they are idiots.  I don't think in this particular thread I've even responded to anything you've said except for the comment where you indicated that the vast majority of this board isn't qualified to answer a question that supposedly you are.  I don't need to bother answering questions that you've already determined I'm not worthy of answering.  People aren't calling you an idiot.  They are calling you a narcissist.  

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

At this point I tend to agree. Still don't think it happens but would be on board (no pun intended) if it does.

Yeah if I had to put money on it I'd bet Woody is back. I'm trying not to get my hopes up. 

But it will be very hard to get excited for next year without that change.

Even if we get a good/great haul in the portal (big assumption) who knows if the pieces will fit together well (this season doesn't exactly inspire confidence). Best case scenario, the ceiling is probably a R32 blowout. The floor is atrocious and borderline unwatchable.

Too many headwinds working against Woody/him in this job for another year to make any sense.

Ideally bring in an instant winning coach a la Pearl. But even if we go with May, who is a "risk" as in not a guaranteed success... I'd rather him get a start on building something here than waste another year so Woody can have a retirement tour. 

[Hippopotamo]

1 minute ago, Demo said:

Probably true, but if something does happen with Woody I would bet on May over the field. If there’s 1 thing ‘21 made clear it was that the decision makers placed massive value on history. You don’t get to Woodson any other way. Now in 2024 you have a young successful college guy with not just IU ties but Knight ties who has a chance to solve your problem for 20 years? Ain’t no way it’s not him unless he flat doesn’t want it. If May was who he is now in ‘21, it would have been him then. 

My question about May is: do we have to hire him now? Even if he goes to an OSU and we hire Pearl, wouldn’t he still accept the IU job should he be offered again in 4-10 years? I don’t necessarily see the rush in hiring him as Woodson’s replacement when he’s young enough to be Woodson’s replacement’s replacement. 

[hper50]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes that would change for me if he misses the tourney. I would probably say wait till next year when Woody is fired. No in all seriousness I would like to see him make the Sweet 16 again then I would be solid in my believe in him. 

For me, I trust Dolson's evaluation of whether or not the leap to the B1G would be too big for him. Interested to hear about Dusty's vision, NIL strategy, HS vs. portal recruiting, how he'd engage the fanbase, offensive/defensive approach, potential staff hires and why etc.

While a deep run in the tourney would be nice and an early exit would sting, I don't want to place too much value on a couple weeks (or a couple days) of FAU basketball

[Artie86]

14 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Yeah, why don’t we all put our so names and addresses on here as well. Why doesn’t Chris post his full name and his exact job at IU?

Should I also ask why everyone on here who feels they know the team and game better than everyone post their resume that qualifies them? 

I will say it again - this changes NOTHING. It doesn’t mean one thing if Dolson is a quality AD at all. You don’t decide based on end of season wins, or what ifs with X. If he does, he is a joke of an AD.

My point is everything doesn’t have to be some referendum on why Woody is an idiot. X not being here has made a difference. These stat boys like ISP posted are picking and choosing things to fit their belief they know more.  Could easily rip that stat apart.  They are 1-5 this calendar year without X and 3-4 with him and that is with him dealing with injury the whole time. Not to mention we didn’t have Ware for Illinois and that game was very tight and easily could be 4-3 with X. Yep, all teams deal with injury.

He was the leader. Trey has slowly become one and you can see it. But it was X. Losing that all year has been huge to the confidence of a young team. You can see guys like Cupps try to be that guy and his teammates tune him out. There are games like Kansas that we needed that leadership on the court and would likely have been another win that changes confidence of this group. Things snowballed on them. Then fans get ticked, IU media article every hour about how they suck.

Multiple things can be true at once. Woody can be blamed for the roster, for some decisions he has made, etc. While it can also be true X would have made a big difference to how this team has felt psychologically all year. 

Why are you so combative?

This is a message board of opinions, views and scenarios with one common bond,... to see IU successful and win.

I don't agree with some posters on here at times. I also know some don't agree with some things I find important. For the most part, I'm pretty level headed, and try to somewhat understand viewpoints that I don't necessarily believe in or support. 

....These message boards are my ONLY social media. As I've said many times, I don't do Twitter or Instagram and I have Facebook but don't use it. I genuinely look forward to these daily message boards with all the news and insight.  All of this from a simple message board to talk about the school I proudly graduated from and the University I LOVE. These boards are sort of like a brotherhood to me.

....Let's not forget that we are all rooting for the same team here.

Go IU!

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Yeah if I had to put money on it I'd bet Woody is back. I'm trying not to get my hopes up. 

But it will be very hard to get excited for next year without that change.

Even if we get a good/great haul in the portal (big assumption) who knows if the pieces will fit together well (this season doesn't exactly inspire confidence). Best case scenario, the ceiling is probably a R32 blowout. The floor is atrocious and borderline unwatchable.

Too many headwinds working against Woody/him in this job for another year to make any sense.

Ideally bring in an instant winning coach a la Pearl. But even if we go with May, who is a "risk" as in not a guaranteed success... I'd rather him get a start on building something here than waste another year so Woody can have a retirement tour. 

Yeah I saw last night before the game he is 11-33 against tournament teams in 3 years. Now 12-33 but still not great. Averages a 20 pt loss in the tournament. So best case next year a R32 blowout like you said

[cleeter]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes that would change for me if he misses the tourney. I would probably say wait till next year when Woody is fired. No in all seriousness I would like to see him make the Sweet 16 again then I would be solid in my believe in him. 

"wait till next year when Woody is fired"

So he isn't getting let go/fired this year, that's just great. BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!

[IUc2016]

22 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

Did I really read correctly on here that Woody had to be told to go to high school tournaments and such?  

What in the world?  More reasons why he is clearly not in the right spot.  Great player.  Solid NBA assistant.  Good guy.  But not a college basketball head coach.  

Chris, I am not nearly as active on here as many, but I always appreciate your posts and information.  Keep up the good work and ignore any haters. 

Yes he did. He went and visited Mullins and Sisley last month for the first time all season while other head coaches were routinely making the trip. When it was reported, rabby didn't explicitly say that it was because Woody was told to go see them, but it was pretty clear that was the case if you read between the lines.

[Home Jersey]

10 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

If 2025 recruiting is dead as it sounds there is no forward momentum. He will have to build teams every year in the portal.

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This is a really good point.

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, cleeter said:

"wait till next year when Woody is fired"

So he isn't getting let go/fired this year, that's just great. BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!

I was just messing with my buddy NGW

[Golfman25]

14 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

I didn’t say he was a good leader. Or that he didn’t have flaws. But the team sees him as a leader and there is comfort in that. Having your guy on the floor next to you matters in how everyone of them plays.  It helps their confidence when things get tough. 
 

Nobody is in the mood for stories but I can think of an exact example I personally lived to this in another sport with a child playing D1. A team that was undefeated and then lost 5 straight after a captain went down and first round bounce in tourney. That captain wasnt even someone they team overly respected. They didn’t say a lot, wasn’t filling up stat sheets, etc.  But they were a young team and that person was a senior. They looked lost every game without them. 
 

Again, multiple things can be true at once.

A team that goes to crap after their "leader" goes down is a soft team.  The great teams rally around their leader going down.  The old "Win one for the Gipper."  

[Golfman25]

16 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

If 2025 recruiting is dead as it sounds there is no forward momentum. He will have to build teams every year in the portal.

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Bold strategy Cotton.  

[Ryno6284]

1 hour ago, chumbo07 said:

No shot this team is on any bubble line. Winning the Big Ten Tourney is their only way in. 

He was saying if we had x all season.

[8bucks]

Back to the "locked up" idea.  Let's say SD gets approvals needed to go after Pearl.  What can he do to "lock him up"?  Pearl cannot sign anything before his season is done and we have an official opening right?  So would it just be a verbal commitment?  If so, based on what happened with BS, then I wonder how to resolve the idea that we need to lock up the big fish guy (like Pearl) given we kind of got burned on this path last time.  

[Hoosierfan2017]

36 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

If you don't think I have been fully checked out by people on this board, by people at this university than I don't know what to tell you. Many members on this board know exactly what I do and where I work. I have even had a poster from this site come to my office. 

But I have never gotten any info from anything I do with my job at IU. 

You have some grudge or something against me or people here. We don't dislike you, I kind of like you for how you stand up for you feel is right. I like your loyalty to Coach. Just chill a little. 

I don't know what is going to happen, I pass along what I hear. I've been wrong many times and each time I am it gets pointed out by Hornsby, Josh or Hoosier2017 or someone like that LOL. 

Wait how do I get mentioned here??