Game Thread: vs. Eastern Michigan 11/9 - 6 pm - BTN

[Chris007]

13 minutes ago, Trish said:

Was one of my biggest concerns when hiring him. He’s used to coaching / teaching the best players in the world. Recruiting is hard, especially in mens basketball. Even then, you’re not getting NBA talent at Indiana often. TJD is borderline NBA / G league for comparison. 

Dang where did you come from, haven't seen you for a while. But of course, great minds think alike. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, Trish said:

You can be a great college player and not an NBA player sir. 
 

What’s Luka Garzan up to these days? ;) 
 

 

Detroit Pistons

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He is borderline NBA though… plenty of very good college players have games that don’t translate well to the NBA. Right now, that’s Trayce Jackson-Davis.

He seems to hit two more 17 footers last night than he hit all of last season. 

[Trish]

1 minute ago, Dave from Dayton said:

So then what is important about recruiting NBA players?  If you can be a great college player and not an NBA player...

My point was, it’s going to be a major adjustment for Woodson from coaching the best players in the world to players who more than likely won’t sniff an NBA rotation. 
 

We are going to have to hit on recruiting like CTC did and maybe we can make some runs. But I’m just curious how well Woodson can perform with *WORSE* players. Off- Topic of course, we can discuss that at another time. 

[Trish]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Dang where did you come from, haven't seen you for a while. But of course, great minds think alike. 

I disappear in the off season. ;) 

 

Moved away, will message you! 

[HoosierFan1994]

I was at the game last night. Compared to the s-show from the 2017 opener I went to, I'm just thankful they won. A few things: 

1) Thought the crowd wasn't bad given the circumstances (6 eastern tip off, masks/pandemic could turn people away, and we've been awful the last 5 years.). Students showed up. 

2) Woodson's calm demeanor surprised me. I'm sure he had a lot of emotions. Not saying that is a bad thing. I'm sure we will see him get fired up. 

3) Not impressed with the offense. Listening to coach I'm not surprised. He warned us ahead of time. Defense wasn't bad. That guard for EM hit some tough shots. 

4) Parker and Miller have to get more than 7 combined 3 point attempts. TJD was what we all expected. Race and Xavier were kind of how I envisioned. Rob, Jordan, and Tamar gave solid minutes off the bench. But if this team is going to be as good as everyone thought Parker and Miller have to be more involved. Would've rather seen them get the shots Phinisee and Thompson took. 

5) Lander playing isn't a surprise to me. He didn't see a lot of action in the Bahamas. Woodson even said this is a learning year for him. I just hope he buys into what coach is selling. 

The last 10 minutes was disappointing. That shouldn't happen. They had this game won. Keep your foot on the gas pedal. You can tell the energy level was gone after the 20 point lead. I think we will see a better effort against NIU. 

[HoosierFan1994]

22 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I did like that Woody said after the game that the whole staff knows TJD is going to get double-teamed, and it's our job to get him to find the open man. So it seems like they're going to start working on things like this. 

Assembly Call guys said it best. They aren't going to go 4-24 every night. (IF they do we are in deep S**t) Let's say they went 7-24. Not great but that's 9 more points and this win looks a little better. The open looks were there. I think this will be around a 30-35% team from the 3 point line. 

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Assembly Call guys said it best. They aren't going to go 4-24 every night. (IF they do we are in deep S**t) Let's say they went 7-24. Not great but that's 9 more points and this win looks a little better. The open looks were there. I think this will be around a 30-35% team from the 3 point line. 

Last year's national average was 33.1%, so that would be just fine.

When we make between 6 and 10 out of 20-25 next game, that would be average, and is a very reasonable points per possession.

[Brass Cannon]

17 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Assembly Call guys said it best. They aren't going to go 4-24 every night. (IF they do we are in deep S**t) Let's say they went 7-24. Not great but that's 9 more points and this win looks a little better. The open looks were there. I think this will be around a 30-35% team from the 3 point line. 

Sounds like the same talk as the last 4 years.  If if if if.  We need to stop living in these if situations. 

[Alford Bailey]

I know everyone is gun shy but I’m not gonna freak out just yet. Let’s give it a couple of games.

[KingPG21]

7 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

I know everyone is gun shy but I’m not gonna freak out just yet. Let’s give it a couple of games.

So two ganes before we turn on another coach. This fanbase has a **** reputation for a reason. 

[KzooHoosier82]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Assembly Call guys said it best. They aren't going to go 4-24 every night. (IF they do we are in deep S**t) Let's say they went 7-24. Not great but that's 9 more points and this win looks a little better. The open looks were there. I think this will be around a 30-35% team from the 3 point line. 

We’re also not going to experience a hot streak like Farrakhan put on in the 2nd half every night. He was hitting contested shot after contested shot that he wasn’t making in the first half. Also, Eastern Michigan is a very well coached team who can recruit and attract transfers 

[Chris007]

14 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

I know everyone is gun shy but I’m not gonna freak out just yet. Let’s give it a couple of games.

I read on Peegs where Slick Leanord use to say you don't know anything about your team till 25% of the season has been played. So let's get through the holidays first.

[Chris007]

Just now, KzooHoosier82 said:

We’re also not going to experience a hot streak like Farrakhan put on in the 2nd half every night. He was hitting contested shot after contested shot that he wasn’t making in the first half. Also, Eastern Michigan is a very well coached team who can recruit and attract transfers 

It seems like someone always has a career night against IU

[darB s'tI]

I don't see anything all that alarming. CMW was trying out different lineups all night. Most of our guys played well. Do we have a few guys chucking up 3s that shouldn't be? Yes. Will we use crazy rotations like this all season? No. I'll tell you all one thing I did notice: With around 2 minutes left, we had given up a 20 point lead and EMU was running. At that time, CMW coached this team to a win. CAM and CTC would have lost that game, and you all know it. CMW deserves credit, and he also totally owned that we were a "C" last night. Until we see that he's not willing to make adjustments the way our previous coaches handled things, we have little to worry about. I'm not always glass half full, but the guy deserves a bit more leash than he's being given by some.

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It seems like someone always has a career night against IU

His was basically a 4 minute hot streak where he couldn’t do anything wrong in that timeframe.   Rest of the game before and after that stretch he was no bueno 

[IU - Kaulie]

5 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

I am with you. I want to root for the kid, but I have no idea what Galloway brings to this team that it doesn't already have. Yes he can handle the ball, but this team doesn't struggle in that area. He isn't some great defender that he is billed to be (maybe he is in the right spot but he does get beat often).

And last, this team doesn't have shooting and galloway is among the worst. Please play anthony leal, I am not saying he is going to light it up, but he can shoot and is a fine defender. Galloway imo is what he is unfortunately.

Trey brings a lot to the team.  He is a good defender that’s usually in the right spot (I disagree that he gets beat often.  Did you see Lander/Leal and their on the ball defense last year?).  I like Leal but his defense was not good last year although he does make an effort.  He’s not Zeisloft.  He is a good enough shooter but nowhere near great.  

Trey can handle the ball really well.  Everything he does on the court he does with purpose.  He moves really well with and without the ball.  He makes crisp passes.  He will be the first guy on the floor getting after it and the kind of guy you want to go to war with.  I think Archie said something last year that he is the guy you want with you in a dark alley.  He also had a nice little running floater in the game that looks easy but not a lot of kids can make that play.
 

Bottom line is Coach Woodson is going to prioritize defense 1st which I agree with 100 percent.  I believe he has also said he wants it to be 9 deep rotation maybe 10 in some cases and Trey is a part of that.  I see some people on here clamoring for certain guys to play or play more.  I think Coach knows what he is doing and sees it everyday in practice.  Trey is going to play and I’m all for it.  

[Brass Cannon]

25 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I read on Peegs where Slick Leanord use to say you don't know anything about your team till 25% of the season has been played. So let's get through the holidays first.

True. I do strongly suspect some stuff though 

[Hoosierfan2017]

30 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Trey brings a lot to the team.  He is a good defender that’s usually in the right spot (I disagree that he gets beat often.  Did you see Lander/Leal and their on the ball defense last year?).  I like Leal but his defense was not good last year although he does make an effort.  He’s not Zeisloft.  He is a good enough shooter but nowhere near great.  

Trey can handle the ball really well.  Everything he does on the court he does with purpose.  He moves really well with and without the ball.  He makes crisp passes.  He will be the first guy on the floor getting after it and the kind of guy you want to go to war with.  I think Archie said something last year that he is the guy you want with you in a dark alley.  He also had a nice little running floater in the game that looks easy but not a lot of kids can make that play.
 

Bottom line is Coach Woodson is going to prioritize defense 1st which I agree with 100 percent.  I believe he has also said he wants it to be 9 deep rotation maybe 10 in some cases and Trey is a part of that.  I see some people on here clamoring for certain guys to play or play more.  I think Coach knows what he is doing and sees it everyday in practice.  Trey is going to play and I’m all for it.  

I don’t agree with prioritizing defense. Archie prioritized defense and look how that worked out for him. It leads to giving up only 48 points to Purdue but still losing because you can’t buy a basket. 

You need to be able to score points. If you can bomb threes you can play with anyone. My all time favorite IU game that I’ve been to was when a 17-2, #13 Maryland came into assembly hall and we were absolutely unconscious from 3. We went 15-22 from 3, with Yogi going 7-8. Beat them by 19 points. If you can’t score teams will stick around no matter how good your defense is. Between a great offense/average defense and an average offense/great defense, give me the former every time. You can’t afford to play 4 on 5 on offense, and that’s how it is when Galloway is on the court. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

The players need to not dwell on the shooting. No need to manifest destiny.  Losing confidence doesn’t help shooting. 
 

Instead, put that energy in EVERYTHING ELSE.  Defend with pride, hustle to every loose ball, crash the boards within the system. 
 

Shooters shoot, baby!  
 

The cloud concerning shooting has hung around long enough.