Mike Woodson to be next IUBB coach. Thad Matta to be associate AD

[IUCrazy2 2,016]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

OK, fair enough, we don't see it the same way. 

I'm not seeing the outpouring of pessimism you mention. I've posted a few times what I thought and got my hand slapped so am mostly just waiting to see what happens. If anything it seems to be an unbridled love-fest. Either way, I'm for old IU and am glad it wasn't Alford. 

 

Honestly, I have been a "negative" poster on our past few hires.  I get it, Woodson has some questions.  In my opinion, everyone does (including the Masshole).  I think sometimes the problem ends up being when we go into something with a preconceived notion (this was a bad hire) and then we look for info to support that.  Not directed at you, but I think some people are getting stuck in negative confirmation bias.  There is some positive confirmation bias as well.  The reality is that we don't know how Woodson is going to do.  There are reasons you can point to as to why he could do well and why he may not.  The thing is, the guy has not even had his job for a week.  Has not coached a game.  The first real move I have seen so far is keeping Hunter on staff.

I don't think anyone believes that there are not some risks involved here.  There are.  What I think rankles people somewhat is that some people tend to start negative and never leave that position.  "His offense will suck..."  "Well here is what he did..."  "That was in 2013, what about now where the game has changed?"  "Well, he appeared to be ahead of that curve."  "Yeah, almost 10 years ago..."  No offense to that poster, but that is just shooting down actual facts with what ifs because you are not a fan of the hire.

We just married our wife.  You may think she sucks and you may be right at some point down the line.  Just read the room, saying she sucks when we are in Hawaii celebrating a new marriage maybe is not the best time.

[RaceToTheTop 23,558]

Just thinking.....often hear people say they are cautiously optimistic about someone getting hired, but I've never heard anyone say that they are 'cautiously pessimistic'.  Why so many degrees of optimism but only one degree of pessimism?

Pessimism, I feel sorry for you.....you're way too pigeon holed.

[IU Prof 674]

9 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Just thinking.....often hear people say they are cautiously optimistic about someone getting hired, but I've never heard anyone say that they are 'cautiously pessimistic'.  Why so many degrees of optimism but only one degree of pessimism?

Pessimism, I feel sorry for you.....you're way too pigeon holed.

Ha! I'd actually say that cautiously pessimistic is where I'm at right now with the hire!

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

Optimism doesn't equate to being correct.

Realism is often mistaken for pessimism.

Life isn't miserable as a non optimist. 

Thats it, that's my haiku

[Hoosierinbham 160]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I think my favorite part of the hire is the national media hates it. They are wrong on everything so I feel good about this!

I was worried about recruiting but Dakich sold me on his ability to recruit. He was involved in NBA free agency. That is pretty much recruitment. 

I would agree and even contend NBA free agency is even more like recruiting the transfer portal, which is growing in importance.   Those kids and their parents have already been through the recruiting process once, and should be more savvy toward false promises, and looking for authenticity in relationships. 

[HoosierCoop 3,810]

I know that someone said it in these 113 pages but I'm glad to see that IU is finally investing and building a P5 conference basketball program.  Bringing in operations experts, collaborating true basketball experience, and bringing back IU basketball as it should be.

No more changing IU basketball to Dayton basketball or Marquette basketball.  We had at one time a brand, a culture, and a Identity which is dying to come out again.

To be dramatic, it's good to feel the sun shine on my face again with this basketball program.

[HoosierCoop 3,810]

I don't want to dwell on "what could've been's" but I feel if this staff was in place a few months earlier, we would see Kaufman, Mohammed, and Logan suiting up in stripes.  Damn, that would've felt good!

[btownqb 8,235]

29 minutes ago, bleedhoosier said:

Optimism doesn't equate to being correct.

Realism is often mistaken for pessimism.

Life isn't miserable as a non optimist. 

Thats it, that's my haiku

I don't want my life to be "not miserable." 

[DoctorP 813]

40 minutes ago, bleedhoosier said:

Optimism doesn't equate to being correct.

Realism is often mistaken for pessimism.

Life isn't miserable as a non optimist. 

Thats it, that's my haiku

A haiku, that's not

Far from it if I'm honest

Better luck next time

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

Haha, I was hoping someone would feel the need to correct my non haiku

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

10 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Money was for one person and one person only. He was not let out of his contract. We did the next best thing to unite this fan base. Which has happened for the most part, except for a few people. 

So Boston wouldn't cooperate? 

[Trish 11,408]

 

marketing the hell of Woodson!

 

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

These former player really have felt alienated from the program, huh? 

[Chris007 42,064]

1 hour ago, SteelerHoosier said:

So Boston wouldn't cooperate? 

Correct. 

[BGleas 7,880]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Correct. 

That can't be accurate. Stevens could resign. Boston can't stop him from coaching in college, only for another NBA team. 

[FrenchConnection 196]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Correct. 

Not surprising. Thibs mentioned that Woody had to be released from his Knicks contract. He commended Dolan for doing so. Apparently, NBA coaching contracts are binding on the part of the coach. He probably has a lot of stuff in there about leaving for a college job, as BOS had to fear that upon signing him. 

[FritzIam4IU 349]

6 minutes ago, BGleas said:

That can't be accurate. Stevens could resign. Boston can't stop him from coaching in college, only for another NBA team. 

I don't follow the NBA but this is what I thought too. Is it possible Boston put something in his contract restricting him from leaving for college since he came from Butler? I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea.

[Golfman25 4,646]

2 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Not surprising. Thibs mentioned that Woody had to be released from his Knicks contract. He commended Dolan for doing so. Apparently, NBA coaching contracts are binding on the part of the coach. He probably has a lot of stuff in there about leaving for a college job, as BOS had to fear that upon signing him. 

We kinda have a prohibition on indentured servitude.  Courts won’t make a person work a job.  Stevens could have quit — he might have owed a few bucks but that’s all.  

[BGleas 7,880]

3 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said:

I don't follow the NBA but this is what I thought too. Is it possible Boston put something in his contract restricting him from leaving for college since he came from Butler? I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea.

I would be really surprised. I don’t think NBA teams typically do those kind of clauses like colleges do, because they have agreed upon rules that teams can't poach coaches from each other. 

I just don't believe that if Stevens really wanted the IU job that the Celtics could prevent it, and even if they could that they would prevent. 

I don’t believe that. 

[FrenchConnection 196]

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

I would be really surprised. I don’t think NBA teams typically do those kind of clauses like colleges do, because they have agreed upon rules that teams can't poach coaches from each other. 

I just don't believe that if Stevens really wanted the IU job that the Celtics could prevent it, and even if they could that they would prevent. 

I don’t believe that. 

The more I think about it, I think that your probably right.  My initial thought was that Stevens got cold feet because Ainge told him that if he does that, no NBA team will hire him and if he fails he’ll have to go back to mid-major coaching. And given our recent past, the chance of failure is pretty high.

Edited April 1, 2021 by FrenchConnection