General Coach Candidate News

[tyappleg]

54 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Does anyone else think it’s kind of foolish to talk about “throwing off the scent”? Like this is some spy novel surrounding some goofs on a message board….The scent nobody but us here on the board seems to have? Come on…..the majority of fans are not here and have no idea who is going to be coach….doubful that Dolson is involved in any skullduggery because there really is no reason for it…think about it..

This post is a smokescreen to throw us off the scent that actual smokescreen are happening. 

[AZ Hoosier]

37 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

Agree. I’m hopeful it is still Stevens (the timing and dots connect in my desperate brain) … but I’m certain, if it is him, he most likely told Dolson he wants to work in his capacity as Celts GM through waiver deadline.  

When I hear stuff like this, my mind goes back to Wisconsin and Bob Knight... the deal was all but signed, but people in Madison could not keep their mouths shut, and Knight walked away. A year later he was in Bloomington and history was being made.

[Stuhoo]

Will Wade is under a show cause through June.

He is ineligible for consideration (thank goodness).

[OKHOOSIER]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Otz is 47 and Cronin is 53. The age gap isn’t huge. Otz is 4-5 in the NCAA tournament while Cronin is 15-14, including 8-3 at UCLA. Otz is winning 68.9% of his games and 57.1% of his conference games and ISU while Cronin is winning 68.7% and 69% of his conference games.

How does this equal Otz “winning big” but Cronin “sorta doing ok”? 

I haven't bought into many of the program arguments (like Cronin couldn't do better here because he's already been at UCLA), but I definitely think there could be one made here. ISU is infinitely harder to win and recruit than even this version of UCLA, and the Big12 has been much better than the Pac-12 for a while, IMO. Cronin could maintain or get better at IU, I do not think he could do what Otz is doing at ISU, thats the difference to me. 

[Asha’man]

9 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

With Cronin, he’s not a bad option, but he limits the ceiling this program can take IMO. We will consistently make the tournament, which is a huge improvement over where we are at now, but won’t have a lot of success in it. 
 

My worry with Cronin is we will be with him, most likely, for the next 15ish years and will have a couple Sweet 16s. Not enough to get him fired, so it all just depends on what Dolson wants and who is willing to take the job. 

To me Cronin is a guy with strong NIL has us a top 4 seed regularly. Which means in the hunt for deep runs. After that it’s a crap shoot. But if the floor is making the tournament each year, challenging for the Big Ten annually, and then see how the tournament goes, I’m down for that. 

[Josh]

10 minutes ago, VFury said:

People hate Tom Brady cause he won a lot. You seem to hate Wade on a personal level, mentioning his personality. That's why I ask. To each their own, I just don't get it

Brady is hatable because

1. He's a cheater
2. Boston fans are the worst so it's easy to hate everything about him
3. He always whined to the refs
4. He got all the credit for teams successes

Not because he won a lot

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I haven't bought into many of the program arguments (like Cronin couldn't do better here because he's already been at UCLA), but I definitely think there could be one made here. ISU is infinitely harder to win and recruit than even this version of UCLA, and the Big12 has been much better than the Pac-12 for a while, IMO. Cronin could maintain or get better at IU, I do not think he could do what Otz is doing at ISU, thats the difference to me. 

I won’t pretend to be an ISU historian, but they were a solid program the decade before Otz got there. Between 2012 and 2019 they went to the tournament 7 of 8 years. Won the Big 12 conference tournament 4 times. ISU isn’t UCLA historically, but it’s not Siberia either. Not even saying that Cronin is the better candidate, just that I don’t understand why some view Otz as a grand slam while they view Cronin as a single at best. 

[JaybobHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

To me Cronin is a guy with strong NIL has us a top 4 seed regularly. Which means in the hunt for deep runs. After that it’s a crap shoot. But if the floor is making the tournament each year, challenging for the Big Ten annually, and then see how the tournament goes, I’m down for that. 

That’s very possible, but I just have some hesitations about it coming to fruition. I know NIL has changed the game, but it can also only get you so far. Would we still lose out on Harrelson and Mullins if Cronin is at the helm…? I know it’s a lot of what ifs, but I feel like Cronin is a solid back up plan to the back up plan, to that back up plan. 
 

Here’s the thing. I wouldn’t be mad or upset with Cronin, I think he would do good here, I just think there are better options that we need to go through first. 

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, JaybobHoosier said:

Would we still lose out on Harrelson and Mullins if Cronin is at the helm…?

Probably not in my opinion. Last 4 year recruiting cycles at ucla he has brought a bunch of top 85 kids included multiple 5 stars.  I think Mullins would definitely be a Hoosier if he were coach last year 

[JaybobHoosier]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Probably not in my opinion. Last 4 year recruiting cycles at ucla he has brought a bunch of top 85 kids included multiple 5 stars.  I think Mullins would definitely be a Hoosier if he were coach last year 

Thanks. I don’t keep up with recruiting like I used to, so wasn’t sure. 

[AZ Hoosier]

8 minutes ago, Josh said:

Brady is hatable because

1. He's a cheater
2. Boston fans are the worst so it's easy to hate everything about him
3. He always whined to the refs
4. He got all the credit for teams successes

Not because he won a lot

I'm off to buy a lottery ticket.. after all of these years, I finally found something that I could agree with from @Josh /s

[AZ Hoosier]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I probably shouldn’t of said it like that however I just don’t like the guy 

I understand... and was kind of being a curmudgeon... but I get the sentiment... 

[Demo]

5 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

To me Cronin is a guy with strong NIL has us a top 4 seed regularly. Which means in the hunt for deep runs. After that it’s a crap shoot. But if the floor is making the tournament each year, challenging for the Big Ten annually, and then see how the tournament goes, I’m down for that. 

Yup. He’s not my guy because I don’t love the temperamental fit and I imagine he’d struggle with the fishbowl. But the idea that that guy isn’t a good enough coach and has a “limited ceiling”, whatever the hell that means, is simply stupid. But I imagine it’s irrelevant because everything about his name being attached here screams agent looking for an extension. 

[VFury]

8 minutes ago, Josh said:

Brady is hatable because

1. He's a cheater
2. Boston fans are the worst so it's easy to hate everything about him
3. He always whined to the refs
4. He got all the credit for teams successes

Not because he won a lot

Literally none of those reasons would matter if he didn't win more than any NFL quarterback in history. So yeah, people do hate him cause he won a lot.

[RoadRage]

[go iu bb]

40 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

I am not going to argue about the amount of people, but there are plenty of posts supporting him, hard to miss them actually?

Saying they wouldn't be upset with him being hired and that he's better than some of the other names being thrown around doesn't mean they want him as the coach. I don't see anyone saying Cronin is their #1 choice.

[coonhounds]

I think the May extension sheds some light on the search imo. I don’t think May signs his “low ball” extension if IU was after him. I think he would have got a lot more money if he could leverage an IU offer. 
Which tells me that Dolson either has his guy or he is still in discussions with guys he rates above May. Who those coaches are, I’m unsure. But there are many coaches I’d rather have before going to May, if the money was available for buyouts. Sounds like we have money to spend so….
May also took a $1 mil raise, still less than Archie at IU 8 years ago. And the buyout is still low at $7.5 mil. So he says he is staying at Michigan because he doesn’t have an IU offer. He also couldn’t leverage IU interest bc Dolson isn’t there yet and possibly won’t be. But if plans fall through May has a manageable buyout for IU to get him if their top options do not pan out. 
 
I don’t believe all the top tier options have been exhausted yet. In Dolson I trust and I think IU will be in good hands moving forward with whoever they hire because it will not be someone like Brownell or McCollom. It will be with someone who has a track record of success. 

I have posted this already and got destroyed for it but will try again. Dusty would be a huge gamble for both parties and I believe that is a much bigger factor than posters on here give credit. He has a good thing going at michigan. To think if he left that after 1 year and came to a conference rival the pressure to succeed would be insane. If iu stole may and he struggled here everyone would have open eyes as to why that would be. Imo neither party would wa t to take that risk imo. I doubt we pursued may very hard if at all behind the scenes.

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[GloryDays]

33 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Nope.   do people that hate Tom Brady know him personally?   It’s not that deep.   I don’t like him therefore I don’t want him coaching the team I’m invested in 

YEP, The same way I've felt about Calipari and a few others just like him.While it seems in today's game anything is legal character should still be a thing.

[iu eyedoc]

1 hour ago, RoadRage said:

Cronin is the popular choice of “a lot” of people on this forum. Just read through past pages and you will find them. Even Indy Star’s Doyle is pushing Cronin, the other names you may be right about, but there are people on this forum that have shown support for guys like Brownell and Pitino. I am still hoping for an elite proven coach, but the Cronin talk is very real and I would be very disappointed if that is the direction we go.

He finished 12th in the coaching Sweet 16 poll(13th if you add in Brad Stevens), so he is far from a "popular choice by a lot of people." He is being discussed at length due to the inordinate amount of dislike he gets compared to his coaching record. He is at best 7th on my list but would be the best coach by leaps and bounds since Kelvin Sampson, if IU were to hire him.

[mdiu28]

5 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I have posted this already and got destroyed for it but will try again. Dusty would be a huge gamble for both parties and I believe that is a much bigger factor than posters on here give credit. He has a good thing going at michigan. To think if he left that after 1 year and came to a conference rival the pressure to succeed would be insane. If iu stole may and he struggled here everyone would have open eyes as to why that would be. Imo neither party would wa t to take that risk imo. I doubt we pursued may very hard if at all behind the scenes.

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If pressure is keeping him from coming to IU then no one should want him. We need a coach that wants to be here. We need a coach with the passion and love for IU basketball that Crean had, just with better coaching abilities. If Dusty would rather stay at the football school where basketball will always be the lil brother purely bc it's more comfortable, safer, and gives him a warm, fuzzy feeling - then I don't want him here. We need someone with some damn balls.

That's why some love Beard. That's why some love Bruce Pearl. That's why some can get on board with Buzz Williams. No more nice guy attitude and you know what they say about nice guys...