General Coach Candidate News

[Pagoda]

14 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Or he does know, but this way if it’s Brownell or McCollum as the primary alternative choices, he can say “I was right,“ and if it’s not, he can say “I knew it was the third guy.”

Or he doesn't know, but it ends up being Brownell or McCollum, and he will claim he knew!

I get your point he may know.  That's possible.  But given the media the covers IU doesn't know and Scott is a vault, my guess is it's unlikely Goodman knows, though there is a chance he does...

[iu eyedoc]

5 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I think Dolson is spending virtually zero amount of time or energy sending out false flags, trying to fool people or send people in wrong directions. 

He's doing his job and keeping things as quiet as he can, but he's not wasting time sending out "smokescreens".

Yeah, why would he, when bloggers, podcasters, tweeters, and message board posters trying to seem or maintain relevance are doing it so well?

[Home Jersey]

6 minutes ago, Crazy about IU said:

I hope this is over next week. If the coach is not announced and the portal opens can someone on the current staff offer players a scholarship. Another way of putting this is couldn’t the new coach being busy in the tournament let it be know that he is keeping one of the current staff and IU could make offers to players in the portal .

IMO if Monday comes and goes it’s not an NBA/currently not coaching candidate

If no coach announced by the 24th, the search has really gone belly up or Clemson is probably still playing lol. Even then I’d think we’d want it known who the coach will be because of the portal 

[BlueDevil]

I just can't wait for this to be over with and get the next chapter started.

[JimmerNoe]

7 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I think Dolson is spending virtually zero amount of time or energy sending out false flags, trying to fool people or send people in wrong directions. 

He's doing his job and keeping things as quiet as he can, but he's not wasting time sending out "smokescreens".

I would agree that I think it’s unlikely Scott is doing much in the way of intentional diversion. I think his secrecy is causing every piece of information from the outside parties to be blown out of proportion, into a “smokescreen” of sorts, further obscuring whatever the heck is actually happening.

i would bet that very few of these “smokescreens” are coming from IU side. 

[Pagoda]

Just now, BlueDevil said:

I just can't wait for this to be over with and get the next chapter started.

Yes.  I am ready for staff building and an absolutely wild portal of outgoings and incomings!

[Mopladysman]

8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I was told that by people at IU. I’m pretty sure other posters heard that as well 

What happened to the back pocket yes?

[Hillsdale87]

I think Dolson is spending virtually zero amount of time or energy sending out false flags, trying to fool people or send people in wrong directions. 
He's doing his job and keeping things as quiet as he can, but he's not wasting time sending out "smokescreens".

I think that's probably right, but I also think anything from Goodman or Bozich is conjecture at best, and not from Dolson. With the last search, there was very little info out there, and then all of a sudden Woodson was announced. It would make sense that agents might be leaking some info, but I'd be surprised if anybody actually close to the search is giving out info about how IU has candidates ranked internally.


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[AZ Hoosier]

9 hours ago, ziggyiu said:

Anyone else listen to the Sleepers podcast talk about the off-court issues with Greg McDermott? They said like Beard, there's a host of issues with Gregg too that the public doesn't know about. (Not the same issue, drinking too much and physically abusing women, but they alluded to different skeletons.) 

Then there's the awkwardness around what some other coaches have intentionally side-stepped when asked about Greg. One interview recently that comes to mind is with Crean. 

Then there's the complete inability to even reach .500 in four seasons with Iowa St. when the season before Morgan got them to the tournament and the coaches after him--Hoiberg, Prohm, and TJO were at least able to do that. 

Plus Creighton has a winning culture. It has for so long. Remember all the success Altman had there. It's kind of like Dayton. 

Greg probably wouldn't flame out at IU like he did at ISU, but his success at Northern Iowa pales in comparison to what has come after him, he flopped at ISU, then landed in a place that has a structure and a culture that has produced winning coaches previously. 

Listening to the Xs and Joes podcast about the criteria/formula for finding a successful P4 coach, and he doesn't measure up. 

Generally speaking his teams have great offensive action--defense, not so much.

Again, I'm not saying he is terrible or that he wouldn't do better than Woodson, but I don't think his resume is such that he should be considered an upper tier candidate. Plus, Im really curious what those skeletons could possibly be. And, no, it's not just the "plantation" comment.

I haven't heard anything, but I'm sure a lot of coaches have skeletons ... the question becomes how big/bad is said skeleton? and without specifics, it's hard to say how disqualifying it might be ... I'm a bit agnostic on McDermott.

With regard to the bolded part, if "better than Woodson" is the standard, we're doomed. Just open a white pages phone book and pick a guy.

[BGleas]

4 minutes ago, JimmerNoe said:

I would agree that I think it’s unlikely Scott is doing much in the way of intentional diversion. I think his secrecy is causing every piece of information from the outside parties to be blown out of proportion, into a “smokescreen” of sorts, further obscuring whatever the heck is actually happening.

i would bet that very few of these “smokescreens” are coming from IU side. 

Yup. Again, just going off my experience in PR on the NBA side. I've been a part of GM hirings, Coach firings and hirings, trading stars, drafts, etc., etc.,

I can't recall ever being part of a conversation or any action around putting out false information to get the media or fans off the trail. 

Maybe college is different, but I think all this smokescreen stuff happens far, far less than fans think. 

[Trish]

Good morning,

As a friendly Saturday reminder for those on the ledge, let's remember, Dolson likely had a plan of a coaching search for many months. He likely did his homework prior and had an idea of who was available. 

You don't Fire Woodson to hire Brownell. Ben McCollum will also end up at Iowa. I'm expecting a slow news day today, maybe something picks up tomorrow evening. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

16 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I think Dolson is spending virtually zero amount of time or energy sending out false flags, trying to fool people or send people in wrong directions. 

He's doing his job and keeping things as quiet as he can, but he's not wasting time sending out "smokescreens".

I can assure you there are people under Dolson sending out false flags.

[go iu bb]

12 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Or he doesn't know, but it ends up being Brownell or McCollum, and he will claim he knew!

I get your point he may know.  That's possible.  But given the media the covers IU doesn't know and Scott is a vault, my guess is it's unlikely Goodman knows, though there is a chance he does...

Unless it's his buddy Brad Stevens.... what a twist in this drama.

Spoiler: It's not him.

[RaceToTheTop]

16 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I think Dolson is spending virtually zero amount of time or energy sending out false flags, trying to fool people or send people in wrong directions. 

He's doing his job and keeping things as quiet as he can, but he's not wasting time sending out "smokescreens".

Agents send smokescreens to drive up interest in their client.

[BGleas]

Just now, IUHoosierJoe said:

I can assure you there are people under Dolson him sending out false flags.

Again just going off my experience with these things as a PR person in sports, and we never spent an ounce of time or energy on that. 

Maybe college is different than the NBA, and that's entirely possible, but it's not something we ever did or spent time on in my experience. 

[8bucks]

31 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It’s interesting that Brad has seen games in the ACC tournament his kid of course, big East on Thursday night and SEC on Friday night and yet to wear Celtics gear. Wonder where he’ll be tonight 

Curious if anyone knows what the norm is.  Has he done this much tourney scouting before?  Any proof other gm’s/pres do this?  If he went prior years did he wear the green clearly?

[BGleas]

Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

Agents send smokescreens to drive up interest in their client.

Absolutely! 

[IUHoosierJoe]

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

Again just going off my experience with these things as a PR person in sports, and we never spent an ounce of time or energy on that. 

Maybe college is different than the NBA, and that's entirely possible, but it's not something we ever did or spent time on in my experience. 

College must be different, at least for this search.

[Trish]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

Curious if anyone knows what the norm is.  Has he done this much tourney scouting before?  Any proof other gm’s/pres do this?  If he went prior years did he wear the green clearly?

It's mostly the scouts that are on the road throughout the year. Executives like Brad often just stick to the holiday tournaments in the Bahamas. 

Most of the time, scouts/executives wear normal clothing, no brand affiliation. It varies. 

[pumpfake]

18 minutes ago, DSUMMITT said:

There's a couple schools of thought on why this would happen:

1) afraid of what happened last time - too many chefs. 

2) no real advantage to making it public - looks bad when people say no and fans overreacting to every back and forth can make fanbase look manic

3) part of negotiations are salary - better off doing that in a vacuum so you don't get into a long back and forth. Or in some cases you don't want people to know who and how much your other offers are for.

4) Other party wants it that way for whatever reason

 

Note: i don't think IU is actively sending out misinformation but when no information is getting out people present speculation as fact sometimes 

I think 3 & 4 are the main ones.  Pretty much every potential candidate is employed somewhere - whether casual or serious negotiations leaking could jeopardize that.