Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[RaceToTheTop 31,197]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

If you have 8 dudes and penny players you are one or two inujuries from disaster.

[str8baller 7,559]

50 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I know it’s not fair, but UConn’s roster, or Michigans roster, or St. John’s roster, or………….. I KNOW all the excuses but if you have the funds you build what you want.

This isn’t empirically true and you’re setting yourself up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations. 
 

Most of the best rosters had a couple homegrown guys mixed in. You can’t poach those guys because schools use their NIL to keep them. The rest of the rosters have transfers that have been there for more than one year (that includes St. John’s and UConn) or in the case of Duke a stud frosh or two they’d been recruiting for several years. Michigan St and Purdue had nearly entirely homegrown rosters of their key players. You can’t replicate that in one year. 
 

The best you can do—or at least that’s been proven so far—with entirely new portal rosters is somewhere in that Lville/UM/UK range. And while those teams had some success none were near the top 10.  You also had teams like Kansas and Arkansas follow your strategy with big splashy transfers. KU started ranked 1 and finished unranked and Arkansas would’ve too until they surprise made the S16. If anything, the former group that relied on mid major guys outperformed the latter group who spent on bigger named players. 
 

People can expect what they want but I haven’t seen a team yet that has been able to wholesale purchase an automatic top 25 roster in one year just because they had top money. 

[hotjawns 80]

2 “things”

1) funny take - this roster is built like a mid major that couldn’t get a legit big (lol jk)

2) if CDD wanted a legit 7 footer or a “real big” with elite size to clog up the paint, we would’ve had that. there was no problem in finding and closing($) the types of guys CDD wants. (this was a realization i too had to come to, FWIW)

that is all. trust the process. we have what we need. go IU, fight fight fight.

Edited Wednesday at 02:46 AM by hotjawns

[Scotty R 3,747]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

Like UF roster that won a championship and this is where their starters came from. It must be miserable to always look at things in a negative light especially in the off season.

Belmont 

Iona

FAU

Australia 

Africa

 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,465]

2 “things”
1) funny take - this roster is built like a mid major that couldn’t get a legit big (lol jk)
2) if CDD wanted a legit 7 footer or a “real big” with elite size to clog up the paint, we would’ve had that. there was no problem in finding and closing($) the types of guys CDD wants. (this was a realization i too had to come to, FWIW)
that is all. trust the process. we have what we need. go IU, fight fight fight.

Am hearing our last player, assuming Goode is coming back will not be a traditional center. So yeah, Bailey will be our starting 5 and will play a lot.


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[IndyHoosier1997 195]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

I know it’s a different sport and all, but our football team just went to the college football playoffs on the back of mid major players.

 

Florida just won a championship in basketball on the back of a lot of mid major players. 
 

Why do you view mid major in and of itself as damning? You seem to be offering no further analysis beyond our players used to be mid majors. I don’t know if you’ve been more accurate than most in the past or not, haven’t been here long enough to tell, but I don’t see why that means you’re remotely correct here. I am well aware of how many players routinely make the jump from impact mid major players to impact power conference players. Are we pretending that’s rare or unheard of? 
 

I do know that viewing mid major in and of itself as damning is terrible analysis though and pretty ignorant of how much talent is overlooked there. And that talent regularly transfers over to power conferences and even to the NBA. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:34 AM by IndyHoosier1997

[mike vannice 438]

31 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Am hearing our last player, assuming Goode is coming back will not be a traditional center. So yeah, Bailey will be our starting 5 and will play a lot.


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So any idea who that player might be ? 6'8"-6'10" forward maybe?

[AZ Hoosier 10,953]

2 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

I don't think having top 10 NIL funds necessarily equates to being able to build whatever you want however you want. We will probably agree though there's no excuse with the resources at his disposal to not be able to build a roster capable of playing his preferred style and winning at the expected level. This team may or may not be able to do that... thankfully we get a preview in August. 

My biggest concern at the moment is defense but I am willing to trust DDV at this point. Cautiously optimistic over here. 

IMO, let's wait and see what Coach DeVries is able to do with his team. The last 3-4 years we had a hack throwing bags at stars with no clue as to whether the stars were warranted, and no clue what to do with any talent that he actually stumbled upon.

This is not that.

[AZ Hoosier 10,953]

11 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Like UF roster that won a championship and this is where their starters came from. It must be miserable to always look at things in a negative light especially in the off season.

Belmont 

Iona

FAU

Australia 

Africa

 

So, we won the off-season the last two years and crapped the bed when the ball was tipped. People b!tched and moaned that the talent didn't pan out...

This year we have a new coach who didn't gather a collection of players on the level of the last guy, and the sky is falling...

Sheesh... y'all need to pick a lane.

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild 831]

10 hours ago, str8baller said:

If I only looked at the offensive personnel I might think that too.  
 

Two problems with this idea of a fast paced, gunning team a la Alabama or UK last year: 

1) To play the style of defense he seems to want to play, a super fast pace isn’t ideal. To play packline and protect the rim by stopping dribble penetration, you’ll generally want to get back and get set up and then let the shot clock be your friend. Last year at WVU they were super slow at 331 in tempo, which brings me to point #2…

 

2) Just looking at his teams historically they’ve been pretty middle of the pack in pace. I’d almost call them pace nuetral. Last year they were really slow and his first year at Drake they were just inside the top 100 in pace.  
 

None of this is meant to be critical of CDD. I’m just saying, I’m curious what he does. If he does what he did last year, it’ll be the polar opposite of what everyone here expects. And if he does what everyone here is saying they expect it’ll be a pre big departure from what he’s generally done. 

Maybe he’s not been able to recruit the players he needed to recruit to play fast and now with unlimited resources at IU he can now do it

[OGIUAndy 1,100]

3 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

https://x.com/DarrenHeitner/status/1917273709678616939

Anybody know who this guy represented?  A few other people in the comments complimenting Indiana as well.  Won't hurt to get a reputation with agents to be on the up and up with the athletes.

I would have to guess Josh Harris since he just committed and he's from FLA and this guy is based out of Fort Lauderdale. 

[Juwan Moye 1,303]

Look at this mid-major bum, I hope they didn’t overpay.

[Juwan Moye 1,303]

7 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If you have 8 dudes and penny players you are one or two inujuries from disaster.

Outside of injuries, I’d argue that getting 10+ guys that have produced high at the mid-major level also hedges against against the risk that some of these guys can’t handle the step up in competition.

The roster as constructed isn’t one Carlyle away from disaster. If we have a few guys who can’t step up, as long as they’re not all playing the same position, we should be fine. We’ll likely be surprised at how well some guys transition while also seeing some guys fall flat on their face when the competition heats up.

The hope now is that we have an actual college basketball coach who will not only coach these guys up, but will also make the obvious adjustments when necessary. None of us knows how this will go so “cautious optimism” seems the reasonable place to be.

[Golfman25 6,801]

13 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Really confusing post 

Not confusing at all.   A true Debbie Downer.  

[Papacap 2,025]

I have no idea how this team will do next year. I do know that if you are unimpressed/disappointed with the roster at this point, you’re just the type of person who complains about the taxes when winning the lottery. We have much better shooters, much better guards, more athleticism…but we don’t have traditional big men so how are we going to compete in the mighty Big 10 with all the titles the conference has won since these players have been born?

Again, I have no idea what will happen next year. But sitting here today, I feel much better than if Woodson was still coach and trying to get some more ranked players to get us over the hump.

 

[Uspshoosier 54,507]

You could argue some are more concerned with the optics of how IU is perceived by the national media and other fan bases then they are actual results on the court.   Some would rather lose a close game to a national brand team like Duke then actual win a  close game where IU looks bad against a team like Northwestern.  Been that way for a while for some people.   The reality is doesn’t matter how IU is perceived next year coach DeVries is going to have to win.   He could have gotten the top 12 transfer portal guys this year or he could have gotten 200-212 ranked transfer guys in the portal and his expectation is going to be the same.   Win.  Optics would look better for some with choice 1 however expectations would be no different the door number 2.   Unimpressed or impressed with what he has done doesn’t matter just got to sit back and see if this is the year IU claws its way back to where people want it to be 

[Home Jersey 16,216]

4 minutes ago, rayl456 said:

And others are allowed to mock in disagreement with your opinion, sir.

Sure but the board is a lot more enjoyable when we can all put the snark aside (I’m as guilty as anyone of that from time to time) and just talk ball. It’s tougher to do that in the offseason but plenty of legit basketball stuff to talk about with a new staff and roster and two more spots to fill. We can disagree without calling each other’s thought processes stupid lol, even if I agree it’s a little reactionary at this point to be unimpressed. 

[rayl456 916]

7 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Sure but the board is a lot more enjoyable when we can all put the snark aside (I’m as guilty as anyone of that from time to time) and just talk ball. It’s tougher to do that in the offseason but plenty of legit basketball stuff to talk about with a new staff and roster and two more spots to fill. We can disagree without calling each other’s thought processes stupid lol, even if I agree it’s a little reactionary at this point to be unimpressed. 

I deleted my post.  I can agree with your point. 

[Juwan Moye 1,303]

14 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Sure but the board is a lot more enjoyable when we can all put the snark aside (I’m as guilty as anyone of that from time to time) and just talk ball. It’s tougher to do that in the offseason but plenty of legit basketball stuff to talk about with a new staff and roster and two more spots to fill. We can disagree without calling each other’s thought processes stupid lol, even if I agree it’s a little reactionary at this point to be unimpressed. 

Mocking/snark when people are being unreasonable isn’t… unreasonable.

We had people freaking out a couple of weeks ago worried “we wouldn’t fill our roster”. And yes, it was a dumb thought process to have that concern so early into the offseason. People are free to have their concern, it doesn’t mean the concern itself isn’t dumb.

Now that we have our roster being reasonable critical of it is fine too, an example being worries about a lack of rim protection. But even that, while perhaps a weakness, doesn’t spell doom for the team as some would try to have you believe.

[Juwan Moye 1,303]

3 minutes ago, rayl456 said:

I deleted my post.  I can agree with your point. 

You’re nicer than I am apparently :)