They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Kentuckysucks]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Scott (with an s) would be a lot cooler if he is putting the heat on QB. Someone needs to. He’s holding the program hostage for his buddy’s personal gain. 

It's a clear breach of his fiduciary duties.  He should've been fired already.  If it requires the Governor to sign off than Whitten, Dolson, and the rest of the board need to move on it.  

[OKHOOSIER]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

And Barzello.  And Goodman who recently said Woody would be back then this Tweet yesterday.  Jeff's daughter works on behalf of Dolson, right?  Anyone saying this isn't being coordinated by someone in the AD is clueless.

 

 

 

Yea simply not organic for us (IU media/national). People were calling the fan base insane for wanting to move on from Crean, I remember it vividly. Archie had defenders. To have the entire narrative shift in 48 hours was not a bunch of folks just changing a position they held a week before. We hadn’t won back to back games since cupcakes in December. It wasn’t just some bad late season losses— we’ve had them every season under woody. 

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I understand your concern but I’m not here as an influencer. Some things have been suggested or even alleged that aren’t accurate and I wanted to share what I know. Your skepticism is both understandable and welcome, but that’s why I posted. If you have other questions for me, I’ll do my best to provide answers, including telling you I don’t know. I just wanted to address the Dolson versus Buckner narrative, which I don’t believe is accurate on any way for the reasons I listed, as well as a few others that I can’t confirm bit believe to be true.

^^THIS^^

1. Scott Dolson is a really good man who cares deeply about IU and IU basketball.
2. Quinn Buckner is a really good man who cares deeply about IU and IU basketball.

It makes perfect sense that they get along really well and that when they have differing opinions, they work together to resolve things; with no secret manipulation that could sabotage their relationship. 

For those Machiavellian types who want to believe otherwise? Dolson and Buckner having a professional, communicative, analytical relationship makes WAY more sense.

[JF87]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I understand your concern but I’m not here as an influencer. Some things have been suggested or even alleged that aren’t accurate and I wanted to share what I know. Your skepticism is both understandable and welcome, but that’s why I posted. If you have other questions for me, I’ll do my best to provide answers, including telling you I don’t know. I just wanted to address the Dolson versus Buckner narrative, which I don’t believe is accurate on any way for the reasons I listed, as well as a few others that I can’t confirm bit believe to be true.

I think Kathywitha C may be someone that we can trust.  

[eddy4iu]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

In case some aren't clear on Buckner's term on the BoT.  He was appointed by the Governor and his term expires in July 2025.  At that time, our current governor will be the ex-governor and the new governor may have other ideas than re-appointing QB.  

Quinn was appointed by Mike Pence in 2016 so Holcomb is off the hook at both ends of Quinn’s tenure. Not saying that Pence is “on the hook” for the appointment - it probably seemed very reasonable at the time.
I realize that you most likely weren’t saying that Holcomb appointed QB but your last sentence could have been interpreted that way.

[go iu bb]

37 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My only thing with this is you can't say IU is my dream job but the timing has never been right, then we offer the job and you use it to get more at Auburn. That would be some real BS

If you read the quotes, he actually says, "IU was my dream job. It really was." Past tense.

[Chris007]

13 minutes ago, JF87 said:

I think we may want to start being respectful of the Board of Trustees on this site.  ;-)

I don't think the trustees have gone that far yet. Kathy knows some things or some people but she's not a trustee. 

[AZ Hoosier]

It could be as simple as "they don't give a sh!t who knows how they feel."
IMO there is too much societal belief that everything is influenced/rigged. Sure, that happens and is possible. But what's also possible is that people, including reporters, act independently and without 'getting a message' from somewhere.

But if they pi$$ off the wrong people, their access dries up. The odds are very low that Rabby and the others “don’t give a sh!t”. It’s their livelihood.

[CSP]

Just now, go iu bb said:

If you read the quotes, he actually says, "IU was my dream job. It really was." Past tense.

You can't possibly think, while being paid by Auburn as their head basketball coach, he could say "IU is my dream job"... absolutely no f'ing way he can use that verbage. No shot 

[AZ Hoosier]

I understand your concern but I’m not here as an influencer. Some things have been suggested or even alleged that aren’t accurate and I wanted to share what I know. Your skepticism is both understandable and welcome, but that’s why I posted. If you have other questions for me, I’ll do my best to provide answers, including telling you I don’t know. I just wanted to address the Dolson versus Buckner narrative, which I don’t believe is accurate on any way for the reasons I listed, as well as a few others that I can’t confirm bit believe to be true.

Still very suspicious. Spin, baby, spin.

[IUrocker]

So if we can assume Dolson and Buckner get along, which can absolutely be believable, is this going to end up being a matter of Quinn being fine with getting rid of Woodson and Dolson has done what it takes to make it happen, or is Quinn going to try to push getting him a different staff and hope that Dolson sees it that way? 

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

Bottom line.....

If a change is not made, the brass in charge are not serious about IU basketball ever becoming an relevant player in the landscape of college basketball for the foreseeable future.  

That's really all that needs to be said. 

Sincerely, 

TheGhostofRickMajerus(withaT)

[eddy4iu]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Regarding # 6, there was nothing organic about what came out yesterday.  Someone decided to release the hounds and it most certainly was Dolson.

Interested to hear how you can say that with absolute certainty? It would be out of character for Scott to take that route.

[mdiu28]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

But if they pi$$ off the wrong people, their access dries up. The odds are very low that Rabby and the others “don’t give a sh!t”. It’s their livelihood.

Things are changing in todays world. It's not a bad thing to just let it fly and be honest. Look at Barstool. Complete fratty d-bags but they get access. Why? They have a huge following.

If you have a large following, programs see that and will want you around for the exposure. 

[Chris007]

16 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think several people, including Dolson and Woody, are grappling with the current results, the prospects for improvement, and the challenges of getting to a much better place. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that Dolson has made up his mind, and there are some others who still believe in MW. But Dolson isn’t trying to undermine Buckner or Woody by conducting some kind of shadowy PR effort. That would be counterproductive for him and could very well jeopardize both his reputation and career at IU. Plus, it’s not how he works.

But the challenge isn't that hard. You go out and get a proven Power 5 coach like Pearl or Drew or even May. 

The ones who still believe in MW need to make an appointment at the Psychology building. 

I agree that Dolson would not directly try to undermine anyone. 

Do you know if Dolson has sat down with Buckner to talk about a change? On another site it's been reported that QB refuses to even have that conversation. 

[AKHoosier]

Sounds like there's some real smoke on McNeeley now.

Had some info shared with me from a Kansas fan whose kid is at KU, and what he's heard:

- If Woodson leaves, or there's a mass exodus of players, he'll definitely ask out of his LOI.

Can't say I'm surprised, but wanted to share in case anyone else has been hearing similar info.

[KathywithaC]

15 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Then explain Osterman's article yesterday and every thing Rabjohns is spouting off. 

Do I need to explain the track record of either of those guys? They’re both known to have missed badly with a number of their viewpoints, so I would never consider either to be a sure fire barometer of what is actually happening.

Woody may not survive this, but there are a number of twists and turns before we arrive at that destination. If he goes, it won’t be because Dolson surreptitiously outfoxed Buckner and pulled off a coup. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

1 minute ago, Papacap said:

I would really like to know how, other than wishful thinking, anyone who has decision-making ability could still believe Woodson is the right man for the job. What objective results are they basing that belief on? Let’s assume that IU could get Pearl. If there are people within IU who would rather keep Woodson than hire Pearl, I’d like to see their reasoning. Loyalty to an IU legend is a poor reason.

 

@KathywithaC can you help us out here?

I remember the #42 Mike Woodson who helped IU win a Big 10 Championship in 1980. Loved the guy. But Mike Woodson the coach going forward isn’t the answer - he is almost 66, he runs a system that isn’t conducive to success in modern college basketball.

Plus this: just how could Woodson (or any member of his staff) NOT be at the first round of sectional games this past week? If there’s anything that is a bad optic, that has to be it. How can you not be out in public?
 

I would really like to know how any decision-makers can take these things into consideration, and then justify bringing Woodson back.

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

But if they pi$$ off the wrong people, their access dries up. The odds are very low that Rabby and the others “don’t give a sh!t”. It’s their livelihood.

Yes; Rabjohns and Osterman give a sh!t in totality. But like everyone, reporters constantly weigh whether and what to publish. And Rabby (especially) has clearly weighed whether to bite his tongue or report the truth as he sees it. He may think that

• it's worth the potential fallout to report what he thinks and has heard,
• that he thinks the fallout will be moot because Woody is gone, or
• that his readers need the juicy stuff from him or his reader base will dry up, or 
• he could simply be pissed at Woody and figure if he already isn't getting good access he has nothing to lose.

What most certainly is NOT a given is that he got a message or was implored by the administration to dump on Woody.

[IUHoosierJoe]

2 minutes ago, iubhounds2 said:

To throw a little fuel on the fire ... first, I KNOW NOTHING ... just a IU basketball forum reader that started back in the 90s on the Indy Star page, before Peegs. Just for IU basketball coaching hires since Mike Davis was fired ... just think of how many names were sure things from insider sources yet the man standing at the podium for his introductory press conference was a coach that nobody predicted. Are my old memory cells completely gone or has that happened the majority of the time? I do remember the "IU janitor" said Sampson was the IU hire that no one predicted. LOL

I don’t know….it seems like Archie and Woodson were on people’s lists.  Archie was pretty close to the top of a lot of lists, although not mine.