They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Banksyrules]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Cigs filled in for him when he told Yeagley he wouldn’t speak to the soccer team. 
 

He doesn’t think the women should be at Hoosier Hysteria or practice in Assembly. Those are stories passed around the athletic department. I would tend to believe they are true.

What really grinds my gears is that a good Coach would use his popularity to help get women's team more NIL money or resources.  They do that at Duke and UNC by having dinners with specific donors or private basketball lessons.  

[Golfman25]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Cigs filled in for him when he told Yeagley he wouldn’t speak to the soccer team. 
 

He doesn’t think the women should be at Hoosier Hysteria or practice in Assembly. Those are stories passed around the athletic department. I would tend to believe they are true.

I'd rather listen to Cig anyway.  He sounds like he gets it.  

[Golfman25]

2 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

What really grinds my gears is that a good Coach would use his popularity to help get women's team more NIL money or resources.  They do that at Duke and UNC by having dinners with specific donors or private basketball lessons.  

Yep.  It irritates me to no end.  As the coach of IU basketball you're more than the coach of the team.  You're really the face of IU athletics.  

[OKHOOSIER]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Cigs filled in for him when he told Yeagley he wouldn’t speak to the soccer team. 
 

He doesn’t think the women should be at Hoosier Hysteria or practice in Assembly. Those are stories passed around the athletic department. I would tend to believe they are true.

This is all nauseating. I hope it isn't true, particularly the HH and practice piece. I do find it strange there has been seemingly no cross-promotion or marketing done with the run the women have been on under Teri. You would think he would have made an appearance at least watching a home game when able due to schedule or some other joint media. Correct me if I am wrong please, I just do not recall seeing anything of the sort.  

[Josh]

19 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

I don't think in the case of Woodson it "slow learners" as much as nepotism and "taking care of one of their own".

Is it?  If the powers that be could see that he truly was bad for the program, they'd have to let him go.  But they haven't learned that yet.  Probably because of nepotism.

Archie slow learners couldn't see how bad he was because that would mean they had to admit they were wrong.

No matter the reason they're slow learners, they're slow learners.

[Stuhoo]

28 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Cigs filled in for him when he told Yeagley he wouldn’t speak to the soccer team. 
 

He doesn’t think the women should be at Hoosier Hysteria or practice in Assembly. Those are stories passed around the athletic department. I would tend to believe they are true.

Aye caramba.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, OKHOOSIER said:

We had a modern 4, we played him at the 3 all season until the last four games when I saw some clear choices to leave MR on the bench. If we cared about winning, there would have been some combination of Ware/MM/AW or MR/MM/AW on the court at all times but never Ware and MR at the same time and obviously limited minutes for AW. At least not for extended run unless it made sense from an opposing personnel standpoint. Wanna start them both? Fine, then sub out and start the substitution patterns from there. 

There was an interesting stretch during one of the last four (don't remember which one so bear with me), where MR was on the bench (not because of fouls), MM at the 4 and the offense was wide open. It was actually fun to watch. MR gets subbed back in at the under-4 and the offense stalled somewhat with the clogged lane and pounding the ball inside and he was taken back out at like 2:15 left and we iced it. 

One thing I will say is that if Reneau would have been at the 5 and Mgbako at the 4, that's a really poor rebounding team.  MR doesn't rebound like a 5 and MM doesn't rebound like a 4 -- although I think MM would have been a decent defender at the 4 in college.

[SamIam]

5 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

One thing I will say is that if Reneau would have been at the 5 and Mgbako at the 4, that's a really poor rebounding team.  MR doesn't rebound like a 5 and MM doesn't rebound like a 4 -- although I think MM would have been a decent defender at the 4 in college.

If you are going to play MM at the four he needs to put on 10 pounds this summer, which is doable.  He'd be a serious mismatch there.

As for Reneau, it's difficult to say how he would look at the 5. To what extent are his defensive issues due to playing out of position on the perimeter against faster 4's? Same thing with rebounding, he is just slower than his man so he doesn't pursue long rebounds as well, against fives he has been serviceable. He is really savvy and has a super strong base so I think he could hold his own at the 5 in the post, but I don't think he has the athleticism to defend the rim. Basically we may suck at defense but spacing four out with Reneau's low post/passing ability is really intriguing. 

[Chris007]

32 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I'd rather listen to Cig anyway.  He sounds like he gets it.  

When Woodson said no. Cigs said when do you need me this afternoon. He seems like a good dude. I can’t wait to meet him.

[Chris007]

27 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

This is all nauseating. I hope it isn't true, particularly the HH and practice piece. I do find it strange there has been seemingly no cross-promotion or marketing done with the run the women have been on under Teri. You would think he would have made an appearance at least watching a home game when able due to schedule or some other joint media. Correct me if I am wrong please, I just do not recall seeing anything of the sort.  

I think Terri has expressed her feelings to Dolson and it will be addressed in the season ending meeting.

[ClarkCoHoosier]

28 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

This is all nauseating. I hope it isn't true, particularly the HH and practice piece. I do find it strange there has been seemingly no cross-promotion or marketing done with the run the women have been on under Teri. You would think he would have made an appearance at least watching a home game when able due to schedule or some other joint media. Correct me if I am wrong please, I just do not recall seeing anything of the sort.  

I have season tickets to the women’s games. I thought it was odd that I hadn’t seen him at a game. Makes sense now…

[8bucks]

52 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Cigs filled in for him when he told Yeagley he wouldn’t speak to the soccer team. 
 

He doesn’t think the women should be at Hoosier Hysteria or practice in Assembly. Those are stories passed around the athletic department. I would tend to believe they are true.

Would be crazy if true and he did not have good reason to not speak to them. Especially since RMK and poppa Yeagley were pretty close. Those 2 used to play doubles together until one match where RMK got a little RMKish lol. 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

5 hours ago, Feathery said:

I do wonder if Dusty makes a good run of that would change the plan at IU. They can’t have another Brad Stevens situation. 

From what @Chris007 has said, QB thinks Dusty May is Archie Miller (and QB is clearly triggered by Archie Miller). I would think that another final four run would turn Dusty May into Brad Stevens, but I also think that 3 beers will turn my wife into Margot Robbie, so what the hell do I know?

[LamarCheeks]

25 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think Terri has expressed her feelings to Dolson and it will be addressed in the season ending meeting.

Unfortunately, if this is true -- it will just lead to forced, fake interactions from Woody. If he decides to comply. 

You'd think he would want to be supportive of the women's team -- and other programs as well. Not something he's forced to do. That's what being in a college atmosphere is all about. 

Seems yet another reason he's just a horrible fit for the college ranks. 

[MikeRoberts]

15 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Would be crazy if true and he did not have good reason to not speak to them. Especially since RMK and poppa Yeagley were pretty close. Those 2 used to play doubles together until one match where RMK got a little RMKish lol. 

The later is more the truth. They weren’t really that close 

[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Cigs filled in for him when he told Yeagley he wouldn’t speak to the soccer team.

Whether he was asked as a backup plan or not, you gotta imagine Cig Daddy is the better option here from the jump. 

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

Whether he was asked as a backup plan or not, you gotta imagine Cig Daddy is the better option here from the jump. 

And was willing to drop everything to get there that day.

[8bucks]

7 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

The later is more the truth. They weren’t really that close 

Perhaps. Didn’t have to beat friends but he shared the tennis playing stories during an interview I heard last month.  Seemed they played several times. 

[OKHOOSIER]

5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Whether he was asked as a backup plan or not, you gotta imagine Cig Daddy is the better option here from the jump. 

*Inserts low effort joke that if you want Mike Woodson to speak to your soccer team, you bring your soccer team to Mike Woodson*

[Magisterium]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

This. Woodson is being kept because people with power/money want to protect their friend. Woodson will hire Payne to protect his friend.

Short of a complete meltdown next year they'll look for every excuse to bring him back for year 5.

And if they do, IU will likely not be given any credit for doing so by most of the people who habitually criticize IU for being “too impatient” or “changing coaches too often.”