They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

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3 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I can't keep up with 13000+ posts of the same stuff. Can someone give me a synopsis?


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Most want Woodson fired.

[BleedCubbieBlue]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

As someone on here said, it might have been you. If someone is on death row and needs a heart transplant you don’t give them a new heart then put them to death the next year. You just just cut the cord now.

…unless they feel disrespected that they didn’t get the heart transplant earlier and now the warden is whining that the previous inmate got 4 years on death row, so this one also gets 4 years. Maybe longer. Maybe the governor pardons him. Maybe the governor pardons him and gives the warden a lifetime appointment to the IU BoT.

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3 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Just for my personal reference -- If you go back and see my posting history, I've been the last guy that has wanted to move on from coaches in the past (except Tom Allen) and in some cases I didn't think we should have.  I personally thought that when we moved on from Crean we shouldn't have moved on as quickly as we did -- we were one year removed from a Big Ten Championship.  Archie Miller I was just more upset that it didn't work out.  I still say that on paper Archie Miller should have worked out but it didn't.  The hiring of Woodson seemed strange but if you go back on my timeline you'll see I was all for giving it a chance.  Mike Davis ended up losing support of the some in the fan base for his failure to recruit Indiana, but that is something I really haven't felt was that improtant.  If you can play I don't care if you are from Mars.

And yet here I am with Woodson saying we've seen enough after three years.  I see in no way him ever addressing or fixing what is wrong.  To me you can either give a guy who you know isn't the answer and then try to bring someone into an even more damaged product or you move on now.  Next guy may or may not have it, but in my estimation that is better then sticking with something you know doesn't and refuses to listen or answer to legitimate questions.

I'm going to have to disagree. If we got a ball player who was from Mars that would be huge, world changing news. I would care.

[RaceToTheTop]

17 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

You forgot one, he's shown zero ability to clean up the mess the only exists because he caused it.

A large part of the IU fan base believes that he will further damage the program by staying another year.  IMO, Ngw does not view this as a significant enough risk to make the move.  This is not an assessment I would believe he shares with most posters on here.  And it's not because we are just clubbing together.  It's because we ARE concerned about where he takes the program.  I know that he's said you don't 'make a change just to make a change'......but I don't think that he believes that for most of us that is not what we are looking to do.  You can't simply ignore the trajectory the program has taken under his watch.

[Kentuckysucks]

18 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

As someone on here said, it might have been you. If someone is on death row and needs a heart transplant you don’t give them a new heart then put them to death the next year. You just just cut the cord now.

That was me.  And yes that's what they're planning to do.  Absolute insanity.  

[JSHoosier]

6 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

A large part of the IU fan base believes that he will further damage the program by staying another year.  IMO, Ngw does not view this as a significant enough risk to make the move.  This is not an assessment I would believe he shares with most posters on here.  And it's not because we are just clubbing together.  It's because we ARE concerned about where he takes the program.  I know that he's said you don't 'make a change just to make a change'......but I don't think that he believes that for most of us that is not what we are looking to do.  You can't simply ignore the trajectory the program has taken under his watch.

To be fair, it's hard to get much lower than having zero recruits.

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

That was me.  And yes that's what they're planning to do.  Absolute insanity.  

I loved that and it’s exactly right.

[RaceToTheTop]

FWIW, I hope I am 100% wrong about what would happen to the program next season if Woodson returns.

Always rather win and be wrong the lose and be right.  Don't think I am wrong, but nobody every thinks they are wrong in their own opinion.

[rcbowla]

The foundation of the program is eroding quickly and you don't repair it by just hoping it fixes itself. Keeping Woodson is not only hoping it fixes itself but letting the guy that cracked it to begin with be the one to over see it. If you think that Woodson staying another year is in anyway beneficial to the long term health of the program you are (stealing a quote from Scott Coffield) "either lying or stupid".

[lillurk]

7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

FWIW, I hope I am 100% wrong about what would happen to the program next season if Woodson returns.

Always rather win and be wrong the lose and be right.  Don't think I am wrong, but nobody every thinks they are wrong in their own opinion.

Same. It was just much easier to squint and see a good outcome with McNeeley, and even that would’ve needed lots to go right.

[kottke]

5 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

FWIW, I hope I am 100% wrong about what would happen to the program next season if Woodson returns.

Always rather win and be wrong the lose and be right.  Don't think I am wrong, but nobody ever thinks they are wrong in their own opinion.

I’d love to say you’re wrong, but unfortunately I think your opinion is spot on, and I’d wager most everybody here has that opinion as well. That’s what’s so maddening about all this. It’s like we’re just voiding next season before it even starts. I just don’t get it.

[Hornsby]

The foundation of the program is eroding quickly and you don't repair it by just hoping it fixes itself. Keeping Woodson is not only hoping it fixes itself but letting the guy that cracked it to begin with be the one to over see it. If you think that Woodson staying another year is in anyway beneficial to the long term health of the program you are (stealing a quote from Scott Coffield) "either lying or stupid".

And we will miss out on guys by keeping him no question.

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

What I don't get is Woodson saying that 'he didn't know if Trey and Anthony would be going through senior day ceremonies, he hadn't sat down with them yet'.

How can a head coach not have had those conversations yet?   Yes, things can change, but having a gauge on who might/might not come back should have a huge effect on recruiting.

Why have that conversation when there are over 50 games left in the season? Oh, right...

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, yard_dog said:

I don't think that's why recruiting has dried up.  I think as the season has gone along, Woodson has decided he wants to focus on the portal only so.he can get proven, experienced players.  Hes had to rely on too many young guys this year and would probably be happy to never rely on underclassmen again.

Not sure this is even close.

Woodson came from the NBA where recruiting doesn't exist. He came wrapped in the trappings of a mediocre NBA coach. By and large, pro players of the NBA caliber don't need to be taught or "coached up", and they definitely don't need to be recruited. NBA coaches may have input to draft choices and or free agent acquisitions, but they have the team owner and the GM to handle the "dirty work". NBA coaches work from just before pre-season starts through the end of the NBA Finals... and they take the rest of the time off.

The job of college coach is 24/7/365. Woodson had no clue about what was required of a college coach. He doesn't have the energy to go 24/7/365, and apparently doesn't have the interest in working that much. He doesn't know how to recruit, nor does he know how to teach the game. He has stated several times that it's "not my job" to get shots for the players. 

Instead, he is relying on NIL and the portal to secure players that he thinks are worthy of his coaching... no muss, no fuss, instant winner. Except for the "we're a young team", "we're still getting to know one another" and more of his sound bites.

Recruiting? He doesn't want to do it. He doesn't bother to try to build relationships with HS players, their coaches or their families. He doesn't even know their names - referring to Flory Bidunga as "Cory". He had to be told by Scott Dolson to go watch Braylon Mullins play in his HS sectional game.

Woodson's recruiting has dried up because of Woodson.

[Kentuckysucks]

36 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I loved that and it’s exactly right.

And it's basically we know it's huge mistake to bring him back but we're doing it anyway.  Why?  Well he's a former player so we can't hurt his feelings. Also, Archie got 4 years so automatically Woody gets 4 years too.  Insane.

 

[cbp4iu]

Let’s fast forward 3 weeks from today…. If FAU is still in the NCAA tourney…. IU has to reconsider going after May…. 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

Well, we have reached the mark of the beast. 666 pages down, 2,000 left to go.

[NVFalcons1990]

Man can Indiana State play some efficient offense, this style of passing and shooting is sure fun to watch!!

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

But all this is hypothetical- it is all odds. Nobody knows the future. 

So you'd prefer to throw another year down the rat hole? Woodson is absolutely done after next year, if not sooner. Pearl and May will both be out of reach after another year... so, yeah. let's just stand pat, waste another year, then try to pull a rabbit out of that hat.

Guaranteed that Woodson embarrasses both himself and the program (and that alone is a tall fete) with next year's team/performance.

[Henryville Hoosier]

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