Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Scotty R 2,313]

37 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

They would have $hit canned him by now if they weren’t worried about “optics”!

Or maybe there were never any discussions about firing him mid season. You believe something to be true and then it doesn't happen then you just think it is because the administration changed there minds. Maybe don't believe everything that is said on here and think it is true

[IUFAN1976 3,606]

23 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think the optics are we are 14-6 overall and 5-4 in the Big Ten. People who don't know our schedule see a winning record and a winning conference record. 

Isn’t it more about possibly scaring away the potential new coach if we fire a coach mid season with a winning record overall and in conference, with still 11 regular season games left that they could win many of them.  Also, isn’t the fact that the many coaches and normal fans don’t see all the detailed circumstances involved in this whole mess.

[Chris007 46,136]

10 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Or maybe there were never any discussions about firing him mid season. You believe something to be true and then it doesn't happen then you just think it is because the administration changed there minds. Maybe don't believe everything that is said on here and think it is true

He's getting booed off the court at Assembly Hall, and Fans home and away are chanting fire Mike Woodson, he has talked about the outside noise in two different press conferences and you don't think the athletic department is having discussions about his job? Come on now. 

[Chris007 46,136]

2 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Isn’t it more about possibly scaring away the potential new coach if we fire a coach mid season with a winning record overall and in conference, with still 11 regular season games left that they could win many of them.  Also, isn’t the fact that the many coaches and normal fans don’t see all the detailed circumstances involved in this whole mess.

It could be but I think most coaches think they would be much better if they had this roster. I'm guessing most coaches think we are underachieving just like we do as fans. 

[Ryno6284 2,826]

19 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Or maybe there were never any discussions about firing him mid season. You believe something to be true and then it doesn't happen then you just think it is because the administration changed there minds. Maybe don't believe everything that is said on here and think it is true

I wasn’t even talking about what was said by some on here. I was talking about what I see with the IU athletic dept and how it is ran. Not how I run my business!

[Banksyrules 4,932]

Coaches recognize a bad coach. They also know how pitiful he is at high school recruiting.  Candidate’s won’t care because they talk to each other. We’re we might find problems is through the administration. If they’re too many cooks in the kitchen then elite candidates might shy away. 

[HoosierMatty 477]

I think it's just a general rule most schools don't like to fire a coach in the middle of the season versus at the end. And generally the optics probably look better. Only in extreme circumstances do they make that move.

Regardless of whether we think it should happen now clearly they don't feel they he's met that bar just yet. I think the plan is to definitely make the move at the end regardless. One thing to consider is the pressure of QB and Ferguson to protect Woody making firing him tough enough. Getting them out of the way may mean comprising and promising them they will wait until the end. As much as that makes me want to puke, I can totally see that.

That being said looking at the schedule remaining I see plenty of blow out losses to come. I honestly think he might not get a win until Washington. If he's loses bad the next 3 games maybe we see them finally pull the plug.

 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,012]

As long as he’s done at the end of the season, I’d rather IU not fire him mid season. He deserves all these boos he has coming his way. 

[Ryno6284 2,826]

We will win 1 or 2 games most of us think we shouldn’t!

[HoosierMatty 477]

8 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

Coaches recognize a bad coach. They also know how pitiful he is at high school recruiting.  Candidate’s won’t care because they talk to each other. We’re we might find problems is through the administration. If they’re too many cooks in the kitchen then elite candidates might shy away. 

Exactly. People say our demanding fan base is a deterrent. I say it's always been our administration. Sure some coaches don't like a pressure cooker and others don't care. But what all coaches want is a competent administration that gives them the support you need to succeed 

[iu eyedoc 2,140]

42 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

We will win 1 or 2 games most of us think we shouldn’t!

This team has won zero games it shouldn't have this year and has lost several it should have won. This was thought to be a talented enough team to contend for the B1G title, so they were expected to win all but 4-6 in conference. They are 4-4 against 8 of the 9 worst B1G teams.

[TheWatShot 14,301]

45 minutes ago, HoosierMatty said:

I think it's just a general rule most schools don't like to fire a coach in the middle of the season versus at the end. And generally the optics probably look better. Only in extreme circumstances do they make that move.

 

I think midseason firings may start to happen more often now with the portal being a big factor. Teams that are out of contention and won't be in the tournament want to get a jump start on recruiting portal players. 

 

But we probably won't start seeing that for another month at least. OSU fired Holtmann in mid-February. Don't be surprised if we see a few coaches let go in late February/early March. If we're sub-.500 in the Big Ten by then, maybe we make the move. 

[HoosierMatty 477]

7 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think midseason firings may start to happen more often now with the portal being a big factor. Teams that are out of contention and won't be in the tournament want to get a jump start on recruiting portal players. 

 

But we probably won't start seeing that for another month at least. OSU fired Holtmann in mid-February. Don't be surprised if we see a few coaches let go in late February/early March. If we're sub-.500 in the Big Ten by then, maybe we make the move. 

That's a legitimate point. The landscape has changed dramatically. The portal is also the reason you can win Big and quickly now. Unfortunately a 6 million dollar portal team means nothing with a mediocre coach. But this is also IU whose had a dysfunctional administration the past 25 plus years. Let's hope after Woodson is gone we make serious changes.

[Ryno6284 2,826]

12 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

This team has won zero games it shouldn't have this year and has lost several it should have won. This was thought to be a talented enough team to contend for the B1G title, so they were expected to win all but 4-6 in conference. They are 4-4 against 8 of the 9 worst B1G teams.

I’m talking maybe at wisky or the Breslin center. Games we wouldn’t expect a good team to win at.

[WeeDerkaNaut 255]

3 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

I’m talking maybe at wisky or the Breslin center. Games we wouldn’t expect a good team to win at.

We're not winning Wisky but Woodson will be drinking whisky after the game lol

[Asha’man 41]

4 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

I’m talking maybe at wisky or the Breslin center. Games we wouldn’t expect a good team to win at.

More like ran off the court imo. Don’t forget Reneau is coming back so more 2 big lineups are coming. This Maryland game is their best chance at a win over the next stretch of games until UCLA. 

[str8baller 5,579]

52 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

They also know how pitiful he is at high school recruiting.

They likely are praying he stays. IU’s disaster in recruiting the last twenty years is crazy and helped many a coaches outside Indiana. And Woody is as bad as any of them. 
 

Matta and Beilen specifically have title game appearances off the backs of stud Indiana players. Bennett too.  Izzo, K, and Roy have had good team’s (can’t reminder those specific ones made a FF) with stud Indiana recruits. That’s not even counting the ones who went to instate programs under Painter, Brey, etc.. 

It’s not realistic that IU would’ve got all those guys with a Stevens or somebody similar at the helm, but getting even our fair share would’ve taken some shine off a few resumes.  
 

I’m sure there are a few coaches out there who can see the writing on the wall if IU gets a good coach. Dusty May can probably do the math because I’m sure he has his eye on at least northern Indiana, as UM has successfully recruited there the last 25 years. 

[Uspshoosier 46,505]

1 minute ago, Ryno6284 said:

I’m talking maybe at wisky or the Breslin center. Games we wouldn’t expect a good team to win at.

The win at Ohio St wasn’t expected.   People can hate on the coach and team all they want but that was a good win for IU.   I’m guessing most that post in here are done with college basketball and don’t really watch and go by box scores the next day.   Ohio St is a tourney quality team that lost a bunch of close games in conference to teams that are solidly in or right on the bubble.  

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,535]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The win at Ohio St wasn’t expected.   People can hate on the coach and team all they want but that was a good win for IU.   I’m guessing most that post in here are done with college basketball and don’t really watch and go by box scores the next day.   Ohio St is a tourney quality team that lost a bunch of close games in conference to teams that are solidly in or right on the bubble.  

I truly believe we only won because their second leading scorer was out 

[bird4par 279]

7 minutes ago, HoosierMatty said:

That's a legitimate point. The landscape has changed dramatically. The portal is also the reason you can win Big and quickly now. Unfortunately a 6 million dollar portal team means nothing with a mediocre coach. But this is also IU whose had a dysfunctional administration the past 25 plus years. Let's hope after Woodson is gone we make serious changes.

The administration is fine.  Or so we have been told not to believe everything we read on rumor boards and QUIT blaming the administration on all the failures