Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,514]

Stevens loves shooters and versatility so starting off with Sisley and the euro kid will be nice 

[JerryYeagley23 3,877]

1 hour ago, hper50 said:

My brothers in Christ @Chris007 & @JerryYeagley23 is there any chance of a Friday PM news drop tomorrow. Would be the best birthday present ever for ya boy

I’m not counting on it. Think we need to drop a bit more in the standings or get blown out again for optics to be right for the rip chord move. Sit tight. 

[Hornsby 2,276]

Hef harun I've done my job.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/mike-woodson-indiana-job-not-done-01hrbxhtz0r9

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[TTT 1,029]

Money. Yes, he has done his job poorly, unsatisfactory.

[Pagoda 1,010]

30 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

So, this is a Trent Sisley type thing - coming to play for IU more than coming to play for the Wizard of Broad Ripple...

Yea, it is kinda odd to commit to a program and bank on the next coach being a fit.  I guess the commits and next coach can decide if the commitment makes sense and back out of it if needed, so it's not a big deal.  I get Trent's situation more than the Bosnian player.  And I think Trent will be good here.

This is the problem with keeping Woody around this season.  He spent $6M on the current roster and he didn't spend the money well.  He whiffed on our top HS targets except one who just loves IU.  Now he's getting a commit from another player he probably won't coach on who knows what NIL/rev share terms.  I wish we had our new coach in place last year to spend the large sum of $6M and assemble the HS class he wants that fits whatever our new system would be.  A new coach could have also saved some recruitments Woody messed up.  Instead we have this too small HS class Woody put together that may or may not fit for the next coach.  Ugh.

[realTomCrean 1,673]

I've seen some say they want to retain Tucker with a new coach & of course with Sisley being a homegrown product many want to keep him. I will go a different route in saying that as awful as Carlyle has been, in 2 years with a coach he will be a good depth piece on a competitive team. The Bosnian makes zero sense to me right now.

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 612]

28 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

I’m not counting on it. Think we need to drop a bit more in the standings or get blown out again for optics to be right for the rip chord move. Sit tight. 

My only issue with this is that we are waiting for "optics" to be right .....when clearly it's not working (see past 4 seasons, see Bikoff's numbers from earlier, see fan interest, etc...) 

And what happens if they go on a run (like last year), say a 5 game winning streak....what's the optics look like then? That's when the leaks come from the Athletic Department (or elsewhere) that Woody will be returning, and cue Coach's presser "I'm doing my job."

"F" optics, let's move on Scott. 

[OKHOOSIER 2,950]

24 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Yea, it is kinda odd to commit to a program and bank on the next coach being a fit.  I guess the commits and next coach can decide if the commitment makes sense and back out of it if needed, so it's not a big deal.  I get Trent's situation more than the Bosnian player.  And I think Trent will be good here.

This is the problem with keeping Woody around this season.  He spent $6M on the current roster and he didn't spend the money well.  He whiffed on our top HS targets except one who just loves IU.  Now he's getting a commit from another player he probably won't coach on who knows what NIL/rev share terms.  I wish we had our new coach in place last year to spend the large sum of $6M and assemble the HS class he wants that fits whatever our new system would be.  A new coach could have also saved some recruitments Woody messed up.  Instead we have this too small HS class Woody put together that may or may not fit for the next coach.  Ugh.

The Sisley one makes sense, but honestly in both cases it makes you wonder what is being said behind the scenes. NIL has already proven to not really be contract based and is obviously not collectively bargained. It’s not going to be up to boosters or lame duck woody who gets NIL next year. I have a hard time in this current environment guys are committing with the “assumption of NIL number X” regardless of who is coach. This tells me Woody and staff are proceeding as though he’s going to be the coach, as insane as that is to type. 

[Hornsby 2,276]

The Sisley one makes sense, but honestly in both cases it makes you wonder what is being said behind the scenes. NIL has already proven to not really be contract based and is obviously not collectively bargained. It’s not going to be up to boosters or lame duck woody who gets NIL next year. I have a hard time in this current environment guys are committing with the “assumption of NIL number X” regardless of who is coach. This tells me Woody and staff are proceeding as though he’s going to be the coach, as insane as that is to type. 

Bingo. The king of broad ripple has to have this kid convinced he will be back. There is no other logic.

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[JSHoosier 20,501]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

Bingo. The king of broad ripple has to have this kid convinced he will be back. There is no other logic.

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He probably thinks he is with his friends protecting him. With how poorly run this program has been he may be right, unfortunately.

[Hornsby 2,276]

He probably thinks he is with his friends protecting him. With how poorly run this program has been he may be right, unfortunately.

Yep. It he can land these guys and create optics of even crappy recruiting it gives quinn cover. Woodson isn't going to leave quietly

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[Stuhoo 81,917]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

My only issue with this is that we are waiting for "optics" to be right .....when clearly it's not working (see past 4 seasons, see Bikoff's numbers from earlier, see fan interest, etc...) 

And what happens if they go on a run (like last year), say a 5 game winning streak....what's the optics look like then? That's when the leaks come from the Athletic Department (or elsewhere) that Woody will be returning, and cue Coach's presser "I'm doing my job."

"F" optics, let's move on Scott. 

"5 game winning streak?"

Our next five games are:

1. Maryland at home
2. At Purdoo
3. At Wisconsin
4. Michigan at home
5. At Michigan State

• Those teams have a current combined conference record of 32-10!

Even in a better year, if we could win two of those five it would be considered a reasonable outcome. If we lose to Maryland it's likely that at most we will win one of those five, which would put us at 15-10, 6-8 in conference. Two of five would be 16-9, 7-7 in conference. It's not looking all that good.

However, if we win three of the next five? 17-8 and 8-6 in conference and this Indiana team will have duly earned some real praise. I just don't see it happening.

[JerryYeagley23 3,877]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

My only issue with this is that we are waiting for "optics" to be right .....when clearly it's not working (see past 4 seasons, see Bikoff's numbers from earlier, see fan interest, etc...) 

And what happens if they go on a run (like last year), say a 5 game winning streak....what's the optics look like then? That's when the leaks come from the Athletic Department (or elsewhere) that Woody will be returning, and cue Coach's presser "I'm doing my job."

"F" optics, let's move on Scott. 

He’s done at the end of the season regardless. 

The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. 

[Home Jersey 8,753]

Nothing personal against the Bosnian kid, but if he commits with a very uncertain future around the staff, I’d be highly suspicious it’s just because we pay the best, so if the new coach keeps him, great and if the new coach tells him there’s not a spot here, they’re probably thinking being a late decommit in the spring is a better brand than an international player trying to find a college landing spot. I’d like a clean start for the new coach, with very few exceptions. Assuming we get a new coach…

[HinnyHoosier 5,043]

19 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

He’s done at the end of the season regardless. 

The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. 

The optics will begin to make sense when we're fully exposed in the four games (and beyond) following Maryland. The rest of the season will be more than enough to get him canned but if they can avoid "Mike Woodson Fired" in headlines they absolutely will do so. The goal will be retirement.

[Hornsby 2,276]

Nothing personal against the Bosnian kid, but if he commits with a very uncertain future around the staff, I’d be highly suspicious it’s just because we pay the best, so if the new coach keeps him, great and if the new coach tells him there’s not a spot here, they’re probably thinking being a late decommit in the spring is a better brand than an international player trying to find a college landing spot. I’d like a clean start for the new coach, with very few exceptions. Assuming we get a new coach…

I want a whole new roster with the new coach. I don't want any of these guys back they have learned horrible habits from the king and they are all big money guys. We can do better.

 

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[Home Jersey 8,753]

Just now, Hornsby said:

I want a whole new roster with the new coach. I don't want any of these guys back they have learned horrible habits from the king and they are all big money guys. We can do better.

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I'd be good with Rice coming back and I guess Jakai Newton if you wanna take a flyer on him ever getting healthy. Not going to be upset if we turn over the entire roster and have 13 new guys next year. Would be swell as far as I'm concerned lol 

[Kentuckysucks 2,423]

1 hour ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

I’m not counting on it. Think we need to drop a bit more in the standings or get blown out again for optics to be right for the rip chord move. Sit tight. 

Dumbest administration of all time.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,983]

3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I'd be good with Rice coming back and I guess Jakai Newton if you wanna take a flyer on him ever getting healthy. Not going to be upset if we turn over the entire roster and have 13 new guys next year. Would be swell as far as I'm concerned lol 

Yeah I don’t particularly care for any of the players on this roster. Maybe my hatred of Woodson has poisoned my feelings toward them, but I’m perfectly fine with an entirely new team next season. Clear house entirely. 

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 612]

32 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

He’s done at the end of the season regardless. 

The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. 

As long as that's the case...I'm good....I just fear the worse....

 

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