2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[BGleas]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I can't see Dennis coming unless the feeling is that Geronimo is transferring.

Why? They play totally different roles/positions. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Wants at this point……

1-10. TJD to return.
11. I’d like to keep the roster status quo otherwise.
12. We are recruiting Dennis, McNeil so someone is leaving or being explained their opportunities. I think this move could cause more harm than good unless someone is leaving on their own accord.

Return TJD, we have huge expectations and I love it.

I can’t even put out a projected lineups because I want a lot of these guys to get minutes.

I tend to prefer starters get 30 plus minutes and 3 guys share to other 40-50 minutes. I think teams play better when best players can find their groove.


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[HoosierFan1994]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Over the last 10 or so years I have made a lot of lists of things we needed to happen to be good. 
 

If Trayce returns. and
Bates puts it all together and

our incoming 5 stars play like 5 stars 

 

Then who knows what that team could do.  And really that’s not a ridiculous list like Archie always needed me to make  

That’s 4 guys I want playing 30 minutes a game.  The you have Xavier, Race and Trey who I also want playing 30 minutes a game. 
 

I guess I’m kinda in your camp   I’m Ok letting it ride.  That being said there are a few people still on roster that I don’t think factor into plans one way or the other 

 

I want to let it ride too. I have to think under this staff someone will develop into a solid 3 point shooter. That being said I'm not going to turn away the best defensive player in a solid, respectable conference. 

[str8baller]

28 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

We could and should if available improve on Kopp, Galloway and Geronimo.

Galloway and Geronimo are good players. They’ll be in their second year of the system and do a lot of things besides score. Trying to replace guys like that with shiny new thing is a fools errand in more ways than one. 

[HoosierFan1994]

20 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Wants at this point……

1-10. TJD to return.
11. I’d like to keep the roster status quo otherwise.
12. We are recruiting Dennis, McNeil so someone is leaving or being explained their opportunities. I think this move could cause more harm than good unless someone is leaving on their own accord.

Return TJD, we have huge expectations and I love it.

I can’t even put out a projected lineups because I want a lot of these guys to get minutes.

I tend to prefer starters get 30 plus minutes and 3 guys share to other 40-50 minutes. I think teams play better when best players can find their groove.


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It's a good problem to have. I'm now starting to think they may have to redshirt Banks. 

[Brass Cannon]

24 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Galloway and Geronimo are good players. They’ll be in their second year of the system and do a lot of things besides score. Trying to replace guys like that with shiny new thing is a fools errand in more ways than one. 

This and between these two, Sean McNeil and Dennis. Geronimo has the best advanced analytics. 
 

I think people are undervaluing what Geronimo has to offer. And maybe overvaluing what these potential transfers have to offer  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

It's a good problem to have. I'm now starting to think they may have to redshirt Banks. 

I feel like Gunn would be optimal for a redshirt but I doubt he’s interested. Banks being 6’8” should get him on the court to show his game. Galloway and Leal in front Gunn likely, plus the 3 big time guards.


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[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Why? They play totally different roles/positions. 

With Race and Reneau and with the potential of TJD coming back, JG will be looked at to convert to the 3 to get more time.  He likely is going to get quite a few minutes there, especially if TJD were to return.  Dennis is a 3.  And with X/Hood-Schifino and Bates, the 1-3 positions already have a lot of time already being allotted....and we haven't even talked about Kopp.

And I haven't even talked about Galloway, who can play 1-3.

[HoosierHoops1]

7 hours ago, Trish said:

Assuming TJD comes back.. which I guess might actually happen now LOL.

These are the 10 I think play.. at least as of today. Now after an off-season program and who develops their shooting ability, then our starting line - up could be interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if Kopp starts again. The fight for the starting 2 will be a battle between Hood and Tamar. I just know for sure Johnson, TJD, and Race would be starting. 

We have depth for sure.

 

Xaiver / Hood

Tamar / Gunn

Galloway / Kopp

Race / Jordan

TJD / Malik

 

DNPCD's : Leal, Logan, Banks

I think Banks could sub in the Galloway/Kopp spot and we would gain every bit as much as we would lose.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Wants at this point……

1-10. TJD to return.
11. I’d like to keep the roster status quo otherwise.
12. We are recruiting Dennis, McNeil so someone is leaving or being explained their opportunities. I think this move could cause more harm than good unless someone is leaving on their own accord.

Return TJD, we have huge expectations and I love it.

I can’t even put out a projected lineups because I want a lot of these guys to get minutes.

I tend to prefer starters get 30 plus minutes and 3 guys share to other 40-50 minutes. I think teams play better when best players can find their groove.


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Yeah, I'm see minimal improvement in the team at best by adding either McNeil or Dennis.  The truth is that IF Bates gets his shot back next year, I'd rather have him on the court over either one of them.

[BGleas]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

With Race and Reneau and with the potential of TJD coming back, JG will be looked at to convert to the 3 to get more time.  He likely is going to get quite a few minutes there, especially if TJD were to return.  Dennis is a 3.  And with X/Hood-Schifino and Bates, the 1-3 positions already have a lot of time already being allotted....and we haven't even talked about Kopp.

And I haven't even talked about Galloway, who can play 1-3.

Gotcha. I don’t really see JG playing that much on the wing. He hasn't played that role at all in two years, and he'd have to improve a great deal at both ends. 

IMO, like Justin Smith, OG, Troy Williams and Watford, JG is a college 4. 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

This and between these two, Sean McNeil and Dennis. Geronimo has the best advanced analytics. 
 

I think people are undervaluing what Geronimo has to offer. And maybe overvaluing what these potential transfers have to offer  

Couldn’t agree more

[DChoosier]

20 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Gotcha. I don’t really see JG playing that much on the wing. He hasn't played that role at all in two years

IMO, like Justin Smith, OG, Troy Williams and Watford, JG is a college 4. 

I really like JG but with the additions of Malik, Banks, and the return of Race, I wouldn’t be stunned to see him move closer to home. I hope it doesn’t happen but there are only so many minutes to allocate. Maybe JG would be more inclined to stick around if TJD leaves and Race slides into more of the 5 slot minutes,  We will see. 

[BGleas]

Just now, DChoosier said:

I really like JG but with the additions of Malik, Banks, and the return of Race, I wouldn’t be stunned to see him move closer to home. I hope it doesn’t happen but there are only so many minutes to allocate. Maybe JG would be more inclined to stick around if TJD leaves and Race slides into more of the 5 slot minutes,  We will see. 

I definitely want JG to stay. He brings a lot to the table and should only keep getting better. 

But, without a ton of development on both ends, I just don't see him getting any minutes at the wing. 

[HoosierHoopster]

38 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Gotcha. I don’t really see JG playing that much on the wing. He hasn't played that role at all in two years, and he'd have to improve a great deal at both ends. 

IMO, like Justin Smith, OG, Troy Williams and Watford, JG is a college 4. 

Gleas i think you’re a bit too far down on JG’s upside including the wing with handle improvement over the summer and forward. There’s some talk he’s working now on his handle per the staff. His D is exceptional across positions, his outside shot form is solid and improving, hit a number of crunch 3’s, handle clearly still needs work but a comparison with Kopp? The guy added so little, and any comparison of their stats and advanced stats has Geronimo miles better. Yeah he generally subbed for Race, yes don’t disagree he’s primarily a college 4, but he has the upside / athleticism / length / quickness / shot blocking on the wing / lateral movement to be an effective wing. I would play him there today over Kopp, easily. We can be a long, athletic, attacking team, or a team with “wings” who stand around on the perimeter, don’t shoot much and can’t create their own shot? I hope to see good handle growth from JG, his upside is excellent 

whatever happens I absolutely hope / think he is staying, major contributor end of season into ncaa tourney, should only get better

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Gleas i think you’re a bit too far down on JG’s upside including the wing with handle improvement over the summer and forward. There’s some talk he’s working now on his handle per the staff. His D is exceptional across positions, his outside shot form is solid and improving, hit a number of crunch 3’s, handle clearly still needs work but a comparison with Kopp? The guy added so little, and any comparison of their stats and advanced stats has Geronimo miles better. Yeah he generally subbed for Race, yes don’t disagree he’s primarily a college 4, but he has the upside / athleticism / length / quickness / shot blocking on the wing / lateral movement to be an effective wing. I would play him there today over Kopp, easily. We can be a long, athletic, attacking team, or a team with “wings” who stand around on the perimeter, don’t shoot much and can’t create their own shot? I hope to see good handle growth from JG, his upside is excellent 

In addition He generally subbed for race I think mostly because that’s what we needed. Aside from the great Illinois knucklehead fiasco we tended to have guys for 1-3 

[BGleas]

2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Gleas i think you’re a bit too far down on JG’s upside including the wing with handle improvement over the summer and forward. There’s some talk he’s working now on his handle per the staff. His D is exceptional across positions, his outside shot form is solid and improving, hit a number of crunch 3’s, handle clearly still needs work but a comparison with Kopp? The guy added so little, and any comparison of their stats and advanced stats has Geronimo miles better. Yeah he generally subbed for Race, yes don’t disagree he’s primarily a college 4, but he has the upside / athleticism / length / quickness / shot blocking on the wing / lateral movement to be an effective wing. I would play him there today over Kopp, easily. We can be a long, athletic, attacking team, or a team with “wings” who stand around on the perimeter, don’t shoot much and can’t create their own shot? I hope to see good handle growth from JG, his upside is excellent 

I'm not down on him at all. I'm glad Race is back, but honestly there was a part of me kind of hoping Race was going to move on so JG could get those minutes all to himself. 

But, he's not a wing. I'm not saying Kopp is the answer, never have, but Kopp also does a lot that JG can't. Kopp turns it over far less, fouls far less, and is a much, much better perimeter defender. JG is pretty bad defending the perimeter, he gets blown by a lot and loses his man out there a lot. 

JG is a really good developing stretch 4. That's the way the game is going/has went, smaller, not bigger. He can get to that midrange as a 4 and his 3 is developing. He can crash the oboards from that spot, etc.

Our fan base always does this. Like Justin Smith, OG, Troy and Watford before him, everyone wanted them to be college wings, but they're not. There's nothing at all wrong with that, it's how the game is played. 

I mean, I'm typing this while watching Draymond Green play center in the NBA playoffs. 

[MikeRoberts]

JG is our 3. People talk about “3” “wing” skills when it comes to JG but refuses to say the same for Kopp who couldn’t dribble and chew gum at the same time

[BGleas]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

JG is our 3. People talk about “3” “wing” skills when it comes to JG but refuses to say the same for Kopp who couldn’t dribble and chew gum at the same time

JG literally hasn't played a minute as a wing in his two years. 

Kopp turns it over far less then JG and is a much better perimeter defender. 

With that said, my hope is that Kopp isn't a starting wing either. Very few are claiming Kopp is the answer, but that doesn't make JG a wing player. 

I will be absolutely floored if we trot out a TJD, Race, JG lineup. It literally never happened once this season when the wings were a weakness. 

[MikeRoberts]

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

JG literally hasn't played a minute as a wing in his two years. 

Kopp turns it over far less then JG and is a much better perimeter defender. 

With that said, my hope is that Kopp isn't a starting wing either. Very few are claiming Kopp is the answer, but that doesn't make JG a wing player. 

I will be absolutely floored if we trot out a TJD, Race, JG lineup. It literally never happened once this season when the wings were a weakness. 

Kopp doesn’t create anything or attempt to so he shouldn’t turn it over at all. He is a catch and shoot, stand around in the corner and wait for others to create kind of guy.

geronimo makes things happen and doesn’t wait for others to spoon feed him, quite the opposite, he cleans up others trash.

also, I have no idea how anyone could watch Kopp on D and say he is anything other than a broken ankle