Mike Woodson and His Coaching Staff

[DLG3]

Actually, saying that Stevens had no interest is the opposite of what Chris said.
I like the direction we went.  It saved a lot of money for assistants and associate AD's.

Yeah, sorry. I was more just referring to the offer itself. I guess I also don’t think even Woj would hear, “Well, he had a lot of interest, but couldn’t get out of his current contract.” That would be really toxic for him.


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[Josh]

5 minutes ago, DLG3 said:

Yeah, sorry. I was more just referring to the offer itself. I guess I also don’t think even Woj would hear, “Well, he had a lot of interest, but couldn’t get out of his current contract.” That would be really toxic for him.


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Well, you certainly wouldn't phrase it like that.  He could say "he considered it but turned it down".  No interest is pretty definitive. 

[IUCrazy2]

22 minutes ago, Josh said:

Well, you certainly wouldn't phrase it like that.  He could say "he considered it but turned it down".  No interest is pretty definitive. 

Yeah, it is PR.  Someone drops that kind of money in front of you, you are going to think about it.  I do not care how much you like your current situation.  Stevens thought about it and said no.

I am kind of glad he did.  I think he had zero chance of meeting the expectations he would have to meet for that kind of money.  He would have had to do what Calipari did his first 3 years on a regular basis and any slip of that for any extended amount of time would lead to grumbling.  And to be honest, I do not think Stevens would be willing to do the stuff Calipari had to do early on for those results.

So RIP idea of Brad Stevens being the coach at Indiana.  If I were Indiana he would never be on my coaching list again.  However, I think he did us a favor because I think overall, we potentially have just as good if not a better total staff then we probably would have had if he had accepted...and we are getting the entire staff for about half of what we offered just him.

 

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[Nonymouse]

22 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Yeah, it is PR.  Someone drops that kind of money in front of you, you are going to think about it.  I do not care how much you like your current situation.  Stevens thought about it and said no.

I am kind of glad he did.  I think he had zero chance of meeting the expectations he would have to meet for that kind of money.  He would have had to do what Calipari did his first 3 years on a regular basis and any slip of that for any extended amount of time would lead to grumbling.  And to be honest, I do not think Stevens would be willing to do the stuff Calipari had to do early on for those results.

So RIP idea of Brad Stevens being the coach at Indiana.  If I were Indiana he would never be on my coaching list again.  However, I think he did us a favor because I think overall, we potentially have just as good if not a better total staff then we probably would have had if he had accepted...and we are getting the entire staff for about half of what we offered just him.

 

Only on this message board could the best source in all of basketball say “Brad Stevens was offered 7 years 70 million and did not entertain the offer” and people still say “yep, Chris was right, he almost came to IU.”

Chris and whoever else probably heard - accurately - that IU was going to make an absurd offer. That never meant he was interested (and he clearly never was - if you have ANY desire for the job, you’ll clearly take it if you can get a 100% pay raise for at least 7 years).

Edited April 18, 2021 by Nonymouse

[HoosierBoiler]

Dunkin Donut eating,Patriot Loving.....MassHole. (Not a Hoosier)

If he was the right coach he would have come for what he was making at the Celtics.

We have the Right coaches that want to be here for the right reasons....we didn’t have to buy their Love!

[Hoosierfan2017]

Call me crazy but idk if Brad is worth $10 million a year.. That makes a guy who hasn’t coached college basketball in almost a decade the highest paid coach in college basketball. And it’s not like the equivalent of, say, Alabama offering Bill Belicheck an absurd amount of money to come to college. Brad has been a very good NBA coach, but not sure I’d go as far as saying he’s an elite coach. Depends how you look at it. He did overachieve with a couple of Boston teams, but he’s underachieving with this one. He hasn’t made it to the Finals. Not entirely his fault because he doesn’t put together the roster. 
 

He has NBA experience, but so does Woody. Woody was an NBA head coach for longer than Brad has been. Brad has had more success but he’s been in a better position. Would Brad be able to go into kids’ living rooms and relate to them and their parents as well as Woody seemingly has? We have video after video of former players talking about how much they love Woody, but it doesn’t seem like Brad has that type of relationship with his players. 
 

Bottom line, $10 million a year is insane. That kind of money comes with deep tournament runs more often than not expectations. What happens if he came in and underachieved? $10 million/yr would be hard as hell to buyout. I’m happy with Woody and the staff he put together. As long as we can recruit at a high level we will be good. And most importantly, he actually wants to be here more than at any other job in the country. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Call me crazy but idk if Brad is worth $10 million a year.. That makes a guy who hasn’t coached college basketball in almost a decade the highest paid coach in college basketball. And it’s not like the equivalent of, say, Alabama offering Bill Belicheck an absurd amount of money to come to college. Brad has been a very good NBA coach, but not sure I’d go as far as saying he’s an elite coach. Depends how you look at it. He did overachieve with a couple of Boston teams, but he’s underachieving with this one. He hasn’t made it to the Finals. Not entirely his fault because he doesn’t put together the roster. 
 
He has NBA experience, but so does Woody. Woody was an NBA head coach for longer than Brad has been. Brad has had more success but he’s been in a better position. Would Brad be able to go into kids’ living rooms and relate to them and their parents as well as Woody seemingly has? We have video after video of former players talking about how much they love Woody, but it doesn’t seem like Brad has that type of relationship with his players. 
 
Bottom line, $10 million a year is insane. That kind of money comes with deep tournament runs more often than not expectations. What happens if he came in and underachieved? $10 million/yr would be hard as hell to buyout. I’m happy with Woody and the staff he put together. As long as we can recruit at a high level we will be good. And most importantly, he actually wants to be here more than at any other job in the country. 

As I said earlier, NO coach is worth it

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[MikeRoberts]

1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

As I said earlier, NO coach is worth it

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I would say, if Steven’s was here for 21 years, we paid him $210mm and he won 3 championships and had us ranked in the top 25 each and every year, I would say it was well worth it. That would reestablish IU as one of the best programs in all of college baskebtall and promise us another 3 generations of passionate followers. That 21 years would carry over a huge halo effect on the fanbase for decades to follow much like Knight. I wouldn’t be an IU fan 21 years later if there was never a Bobby Knight

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

As I said earlier, NO coach is worth it

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There are some coaches who are worth it. Prime Bob Knight, for example, would be worth $10 million a year (in today's dollars). From 1971 to 1993, he won 3 championships, went to 5 final fours, and went to 8 elite eights. He won 11 conference titles during those 22 seasons. You pay a guy who can deliver those results whatever he wants. But, there aren't very many Bob Knight's out there. 

[Trish]

On 4/16/2021 at 5:18 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

So how much contact can Matta have with players? Because he’s been at the workouts we’ve been having. 

He can talk to them. He can’t participate with on court instruction or recruiting. So basically he’s being paid to watch our practices and games. He’ll give insight on games and recruiting I’m sure. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

There are some coaches who are worth it. Prime Bob Knight, for example, would be worth $10 million a year (in today's dollars). From 1971 to 1993, he won 3 championships, went to 5 final fours, and went to 8 elite eights. He won 11 conference titles during those 22 seasons. You pay a guy who can deliver those results whatever he wants. But, there aren't very many Bob Knight's out there. 

No. He still isn't. No coach is worth that money.

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[Brass Cannon]

19 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

No. He still isn't. No coach is worth that money.

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Nick Saban is

[Hoosierfan2017]

21 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

No. He still isn't. No coach is worth that money.

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It’s not my money so what do I care if a coach gets paid $10 million. College athletics is a billion dollar industry. If a coach wins enough he’s worth every bit of $10 million a year. There will be a college coach paid north of that within the next five years. Several college football coaches are already very close to it.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

It’s not my money so what do I care if a coach gets paid $10 million. College athletics is a billion dollar industry. If a coach wins enough he’s worth every bit of $10 million a year. There will be a college coach paid north of that within the next five years. Several college football coaches are already very close to it.

Sure there will. Doesn't mean they should

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[IUCrazy2]

9 hours ago, Nonymouse said:

Only on this message board could the best source in all of basketball say “Brad Stevens was offered 7 years 70 million and did not entertain the offer” and people still say “yep, Chris was right, he almost came to IU.”

Chris and whoever else probably heard - accurately - that IU was going to make an absurd offer. That never meant he was interested (and he clearly never was - if you have ANY desire for the job, you’ll clearly take it if you can get a 100% pay raise for at least 7 years).

No where did I say he almost came to Indiana.  No where.  So stop trying to put words in my mouth.  I said I think he probably thought about it and said no.  Why do I think that?  Well first, because he was being offered an insanely large amount of money.  And second, from the way the rumors were floating when it started, he did not just up and say no off the bat.  If he did not consider it at all, it would not have floated around for days that he was the number one target.  It would have been a no in one phone call.  "Hey Brad, I got $70 million sitting here for you if you are interested in Indiana."  "No, thanks Scott.  Happy where I am."  Boom, convo over.  I did not entertain the offer is "hey boss and fans, see how committed I am to you....look how much they offered me and I stayed."  

There is no such thing as "almost came", there is he chose to coach Indiana or he did not.  He did not.  I think you are nuts if you seriously believe they dropped that kind of cash on the table and he just flat out rejected it in the first call.  I agree with you, he ultimately did not want to come or else he would be here for that kind of money. 

Funny how you appear to disappear for several weeks and then suddenly pop back up to once again be the Brad Brigade.  

[jbeaman9]

Roberts to Cincy?

[ap2345]

4 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

Roberts to Cincy?

It's sounding like he's going there to join Wes Miller. 

[LamarCheeks]

I'm not sure what to think about the talk of that $10M a year offer to the Masshole. If that's true, part of me is glad that we weren't afraid to spend on getting the guy we really wanted -- though I'm not sure even Stevens is worth $10M a year. 

Part of me is disappointed, because pretty much every time I see something about that report or hear about it on sports radio, it comes with these addendums: 

• Indiana thinks it's elite and it's not. 
• Not even $10 million a year could get Stevens to coach Indiana. 
• Indiana settled for someone other than their top choice. 
• And on and on with the little attacks on our program. 

Man, I'm hoping more than ever that Woody & Co. can kick it into gear and get us back into the top half of the B1G and into the NCAAs each year. I guess you could say I'm skeptical, but hopeful ... 

[HoosierAloha]

I'm not sure what to think about the talk of that $10M a year offer to the Masshole. If that's true, part of me is glad that we weren't afraid to spend on getting the guy we really wanted -- though I'm not sure even Stevens is worth $10M a year. 
Part of me is disappointed, because pretty much every time I see something about that report or hear about it on sports radio, it comes with these addendums: 

• Indiana thinks it's elite and it's not. 
• Not even $10 million a year could get Stevens to coach Indiana. 
• Indiana settled for someone other than their top choice. 
• And on and on with the little attacks on our program. 

Man, I'm hoping more than ever that Woody & Co. can kick it into gear and get us back into the top half of the B1G and into the NCAAs each year. I guess you could say I'm skeptical, but hopeful ... 

I think there are reasons Stevens didn’t accept $10mil/year that go far beyond is desire to stay in the NBA.

The best thing IU could do is to start winning at a consistently high level for many years to prove our administration isn’t as terrible as what some think. It shouldn’t be as difficult to win at an elite level as IU has made it over the past few decades.


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