Ooooook who’s your # 2?

[JSHoosier]

25 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Since our last three hires have all been to an elite eight or better, and each flamed out in wondrous and unique ways, that logic just does not hold with me.

Sampson was doing good here, then he was fired for what was a secondary violation at the time and not even that now.  IU screwed IU there.

Crean had red flags we didn't want to see and Miller was just an up and comer that MIGHT be good.

[JSHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Kelvin Sampson didn’t flame out at IU. Our holier than thou administration fired him for making too many phone calls. He won 74% of his games at IU and had his team 22-4 and #14 in the country when he got fired. 

Archie Miller never coached at a P5 school. He made it past the round of 32 once at Dayton. We was one of the most well-regarded up and comers, but he was exactly that - an up and comer. 

I disagree strongly that Tom Crean had proven P5 success. Tom Crean made it past the round of 32 exactly once at Marquette in nine seasons. And that was due to having one of the best shooting guards to ever play the game on his team. In 5 years at Marquette after that, he missed the tournament twice, made it to the round of 64 twice, and made the round of 32  once. He won 1 conference title at Marquette and that was when they were in Conference USA. 

In the last three hires, we’ve hired someone with proven P5 success once. And that guy was a darn good coach and was doing an incredible job here before IU fired him for off the court reasons. So, I’d actually argue the opposite of your position. The one proven P5 guy we hired in the last three was the best coach we’ve had since Bob Knight  

Hiring someone who absolutely no one here would want if he wasn’t an “IU guy” makes absolutely zero sense. We aren’t hiring them to come play. We’re hiring them to be our head coach. MSU fans don’t even want Fife to be their next coach and he’s been there for a decade. 

Crean definitely had red flags with him.  He missed the tournament 4 times in 9 years Marquette, take away the year Wade carried him and he's 50/50.  He never finished better than 4th in a major conference when we hired him.

 

[Whoozhers]

Who are we? What is our culture?  I’m tired of trying to reinvent Indiana basketball.  I want leadership on my bench that knows it, lived it, and promotes it.

THIS!
Lockdown GETS IT!
Others on here aren’t ignorant. They just know too much about what isn’t so.


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[jmsgws]

3 hours ago, Whoozhers said:

1. Indiana guy.

2. Indiana guy.

3. Indiana guy.

4. Indiana guy.

5. Indiana guy.

That’s my top 5.
In that order.
Nothing else to consider.


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!. Jimmy Hofa

2. Jared Fogel

3) Jim Jones

4) Larry Eyler

5). Robert Montgomery Knight

 

Here is a list of 5 reasons you need to expand your criteria.  4 of them are "Indiana Guy".  One of them was greatest coach we ever had.

[triple]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Sampson was doing good here, then he was fired for what was a secondary violation at the time and not even that now.  IU screwed IU there.

With all do respect I think that's a bit of revisionist history.  When IU hired Sampson there were many inside/outside the fanbase who were surprised and disappointed.  He was already viewed as dirty, by many coaches, analysts and fans.  Then he committed those violations at IU.  The story was not that they were secondary violations.  The story was that he did it intentionally and repeatedly.  He knew he was getting caught and kept doing it.  It's true that he knows how to coach.  It's true that IU messed up by being to honest with the NCAA (obviously we've seen so may other programs get away with much worse by denying the charges).  But IU was not wrong to part ways with him.

[Whoozhers]

!. Jimmy Hofa

2. Jared Fogel

3) Jim Jones

4) Larry Eyler

5). Robert Montgomery Knight

 

Here is a list of 5 reasons you need to expand your criteria.  4 of them are "Indiana Guy".  One of them was greatest coach we ever had.

80% nonsense. You’re comparing apples and oranges and getting a bananas result.

 

See post #594

 

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[T White]

8 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Sampson was doing good here, then he was fired for what was a secondary violation at the time and not even that now.  IU screwed IU there.

Crean had red flags we didn't want to see and Miller was just an up and comer that MIGHT be good.

there were other problems during Sampson's time at IU. Players not attending class. Drug and alcohol use. Just a total lack of control over the program.

[Demo]

14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

 MSU fans don’t even want Fife to be their next coach and he’s been there for a decade. 

Yeah, but that’s meaningless. I guarantee you they didn’t want Izzo in ‘95 ‘cause he’d never been a HC. You can count on 1 hand how many in house promotions have been celebrated by the fan base. Most fans have no idea what Assts even do. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

39 minutes ago, Its Always Sunny at IU said:

"Proven Success" is no guarantee of a winner at IU. Fife is likely the guy at Michigan State when Izzo retires. Why not grab him now before he's whipping us as Spartans coach in a decade. 

Few things in life are guarantees. But past performance is as close of an indicator of future success as you’re going to get. If you’re hiring a guy for a job, do you want the guy who has done a similar job and done it very well,  or do you want the guy who has never done the job before because of the name of the college on his resume? Because that’s what we’d be doing here. We’d be hiring someone who has never done the job before because of where he went to college instead of hiring someone who has done the job and done it well. 

[jmsgws]

1 minute ago, Whoozhers said:

80% nonsense. You’re comparing apples and oranges and getting a bananas result.


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It is about the same level of nonsense as only saying an Indiana Guy is the only criteria needed for the next coach.  If my examples were all alive, 4 of them would meet the only criteria I have seen you lay out.  You never would have hired the best coach we ever had.  

I would love it if a qualified coach has Indiana ties, that would be great, but if I had to list 1000 criteria for what I want in the next coach "Indiana Guy" wouldn't even make the list.  

[Whoozhers]

It is about the same level of nonsense as only saying an Indiana Guy is the only criteria needed for the next coach.  If my examples were all alive, 4 of them would meet the only criteria I have seen you lay out.  You never would have hired the best coach we ever had.  

I would love it if a qualified coach has Indiana ties, that would be great, but if I had to list 1000 criteria for what I want in the next coach "Indiana Guy" wouldn't even make the list.  

So, you switched it up a little.
You’re now comparing apples and pears but still comes out the same with a bananas result.


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[coonhounds]

People on here using fifes time at ipfw as a negative maybe are not quite understanding that they were not even a division 1 team until he got there. He basically built the program and had some good seasons there but only so much you can do there. However they have beaten iu every time we have played them to my knowledge. God that hurts

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[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, jmsgws said:

It is about the same level of nonsense as only saying an Indiana Guy is the only criteria needed for the next coach.  If my examples were all alive, 4 of them would meet the only criteria I have seen you lay out.  You never would have hired the best coach we ever had.  

I would love it if a qualified coach has Indiana ties, that would be great, but if I had to list 1000 criteria for what I want in the next coach "Indiana Guy" wouldn't even make the list.  

Plus, what does “an IU guy” even mean in the year 2021? Steve Alford is an “IU guy,” Brad Stevens isn’t. How many people would take Alford over Stevens? 
 

Bob Knight is modern-age IU basketball. He and IU basketball are one and the same to most fans. So, if we want someone to bring back the Bob Knight days, shouldn’t the criteria really be a “Bob Knight” guy? In that case, there’s an actual good candidate out there we could go after. 

[IUHAHN81]

Time is literally the best indicator of what Dolson is trying to do. If we are down to a Fife type hire or Beilein, id expect a presser early next week. If not, id say he is still hunting something bigger. Personal point of view and by no means a rocket scientists take. 

[Kentuckysucks]

Beard or bust at this point. 

[iu eyedoc]

Short and simple:

Indiana guy is a tie breaker not a criterion, period.

Edited March 21, 2021 by iu eyedoc

[Kentuckysucks]

4 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Short and simple:

Indiana guy is a tie breaker not a criteria, period.

Bingo.  If say it came down to Beard or Drew and you think both are toss ups on paper but one is an IU guy.  Then you hire the IU guy.  But under no other circumstance does that make sense.  The IU guys aren't qualified. 

[HoosierFan1994]

Chris Beard. We all wanted you know who. But I think Beard is the consensus number two. Love his enthusiasm. I don't care about style. He wins. Hell, he has more wins over Purdue than Miller does!! ('16 and '18 NCAA Tournament). He gets in the tournament and does well. If they win today I think Tech is one of three active programs currently to make at least the Sweet 16 in three straight years.(Gonzaga and FSU if they win) Good chance if they win today that they make the Elite 8 and give Baylor a run. I personally am not expecting anything until a week after their season ends. If IU truly offered Stevens that kind of money as reported, they can give Beard a nice offer too. I can't predict if he will win a National Championship or not. But I think IU has a chance with him. 

[Willkie71]

I trust Scott Dolson. He attended Bob Knight's summer camp when he was 9 years old and has been obsessed with IU basketball all his life. He was a student manager on the 1987 championship team. He regularly attended Archie's practices. He knows basketball and he knew Archie was not a good fit. He won't settle for mediocracy. He went after Stevens like we all hoped he would. IU basketball is not only his passion but his life. I believe he will do everything in his power to get us back to a top program in the country. Speculating on the next coach is fun, but we need to just trust him and try to be patient, as hard as that is, lol.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Whoozhers said:

So, many on here want another ...

Mike Davis

Kelvin Sampson

Tom Crean

Archie Miller

Instead of an Indiana guy.
How’d that workout.

Btw- have you seen Justin Smith at Arkansas?
Court is the same size.
Rim is the same height.
What changed?


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You do realize that Arkansas doesn’t have an “Arkansas guy” coaching Smith......