Corruption in College Basketball

[Brass Cannon]

God imagine how many teams are going to lose banners if this comes to light. 

We already have Syracuse that should have lost one. Louisville that lost one and UNC that should lose 2 probably 3. 

[Kepner]

35 minutes ago, Yogi'sBicep said:

If Arizona plays dirty, why would the #1 player in the country (2017) pass up big $$ to play in his home state to go to the other side of the country and play for Duke. 

 

Duke brought hone 4 of the top 10 from 2017. Other notable programs who got one of the top 10: Arizona, MIZZOU, Alabama. 

 

It's no surprise they all get paid -- I just can't see a kid passing up $$ in his state to go somewhere else for free. 

Bagley was never high on Arizona. He moved out of state a year or two ago and never seemed to really consider them at all

[Yogi'sBicep]

Looking back: We only had a handful of guys we got from top 40 in Creans tenure. Totally substantial reasoning as to why now. We were always in top 7 for recruits never hardly got them though. FCTC face is being saved a bit right now for me personally. 

[mdn82]

Fun fact, Louisville has been the most valuable athletics program in terms of revenue the past few years, if I'm not mistaken.

If they beat out Texas, Alabama, Michigan, or Ohio State I would be shocked. Good thing this won't matter when determining punishment as the NCAA will still get theirs.


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[Demo]

5 hours ago, Yogi'sBicep said:

If Arizona plays dirty, why would the #1 player in the country (2017) pass up big $$ to play in his home state to go to the other side of the country and play for Duke. 

 

Duke brought hone 4 of the top 10 from 2017. Other notable programs who got one of the top 10: Arizona, MIZZOU, Alabama. 

 

It's no surprise they all get paid -- I just can't see a kid passing up $$ in his state to go somewhere else for free. 

I doubt that Porter was paid directly to go to Mizzou. Hiring his father and overpaying him, the same thing Washington did, probably got the job done. But the Bama thing is pretty much textbook.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Wonder how many coaches have already written their resignation letters and have them locked in a desk drawer.

[HoosierAloha]

What are we thinking the total number of coaches fired in this? One minute lieutenant Pitino is out along with 4 assistant coaches and an admin. Does it reach double digit head coaches fired? 20+ assistants? It'll be really interesting to see how far the FBI digs on this one and what/how programs are effected.


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[rcbowla]

So with most of this stuff being done through assistant coaches would it be safe to assume that the head coaches have been having assistants do the dirty work to be able to keep plausible deniability? Or do assistants reveive some kind of bonuses for recruits they land? Hence giving them the motivation to pursue these avenues. 

[mdn82]

So with most of this stuff being done through assistant coaches would it be safe to assume that the head coaches have been having assistants do the dirty work to be able to keep plausible deniability? Or do assistants reveive some kind of bonuses for recruits they land? Hence giving them the motivation to pursue these avenues. 

That's the way it's been for years, and a big reason why the NCAA took away plausible deniability as an excuse. The Head Coach is in charge, and responsible for actions of his coaches.


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[azguybob]

Just now, mdn82 said:

That's the way it's been for years, and a big reason why the NCAA took away plausible deniability as an excuse. The Head Coach is in charge, and responsible for actions of his coaches.


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yes...absolutely responsable for his coaches...even if he didn't know what was going on....it's his job to know what is going on in his program....no excuses.

[HinnyHoosier]

Don't know if it's been mentioned since we heard of his resignation from Bama last night, but Assistant Coach Baker has been found to be "Staff Member - 1" in the federal reports.

Even though the university said it found no evidence of wrongdoing after its internal review, it seems the FBI already has.


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[MartintheMopMan]

8 hours ago, rcsalway29 said:

I hear a lot of Crean bashing through all of this. He was an awful "in game coach" that much is true, however if we come out of this clean then I think we owe him a lot more gratitude than he's getting. If he in fact did run a clean ship and we have nothing to worry about through all of this then he would be responsible for the opportunity given to IU to make a serious resurgence. Now if there were issues then all bets off and hammer the man. Just think we should lay off the cracks on him for now.

I don't necessarily disagree, but it's a tough line to take while there is still that "if". 

At least we may know quickly, since Kenny is already involved. I expect everyone to talk, so if they can talk about you, they will. 

[Stuhoo]

 

Crucial background if you want to truly understand how a successful investigation can be predicated and germinate.

How this all began - The Marty Blazer story:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834050/the-story-how-fbi-brought-words-corruption

[Dalton26]

I hear a lot of Crean bashing through all of this. He was an awful "in game coach" that much is true, however if we come out of this clean then I think we owe him a lot more gratitude than he's getting. If he in fact did run a clean ship and we have nothing to worry about through all of this then he would be responsible for the opportunity given to IU to make a serious resurgence. Now if there were issues then all bets off and hammer the man. Just think we should lay off the cracks on him for now.

 

So give him credit for not breaking rules? I’m sorry but that makes no sense. You don’t give people pats on the back for covering the absolute bare minimums of the job.

[DChoosier]

3 minutes ago, MartintheMopMan said:

I don't necessarily disagree, but it's a tough line to take while there is still that "if". 

At least we may know quickly, since Kenny is already involved. I expect everyone to talk, so if they can talk about you, they will. 

I agree. The Kenny Johnson connection scares me as does "he has great connections" Schilling  since he apparently did well recruiting at UCLA and is now on our staff.  A little too early for us to wave victory flags.

[rcbowla]

3 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I agree. The Kenny Johnson connection scares me as does "he has great connections" Schilling  since he apparently did well recruiting at UCLA and is now on our staff.  A little too early for us to wave victory flags.

Oh I am by no means suggesting we are out of the woods.

[Naturalhoosier]

6 minutes ago, Dalton26 said:

 

So give him credit for not breaking rules? I’m sorry but that makes no sense. You don’t give people pats on the back for covering the absolute bare minimums of the job.

No.  But to his credit, assuming he didn't break any rules, he played the game the right way and was able to bring Indiana back to some national notoriety.  That is no small feat when all the chips are stacked against you.  That deserves credit IMO.

[Stuhoo]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Crucial background if you want to truly understand how a successful investigation can be predicated and germinate.

How this all began - The Marty Blazer story:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834050/the-story-how-fbi-brought-words-corruption

 

YOU GUYS NEED TO READ THIS STORY! 

Trust me - this article will completely educate you about the coming events.

It will also highlight in vivid detail the quality of evidence that the FBI can acquire through the use of the far, far  and away most effective investigative tool; THE RECORDER!

The next time I hear someone state that all ya need to do is "follow the money", I am referring them to this article's description of the incontrovertible relative weight of evidence that can be obtained with a recorder; far more so than through interviewing liars and reading documents. 

If you read only one article this week to try to understand how to get the evidence needed to prove a matter, this one is a good place to start.