(2019) SF Keion Brooks Jr. to Kentucky

[CrossboneIU22]

3 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

I find it interesting that there are so many B1G teams on this list and IU isn't one of them.

 

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Since I tweeted this out two hours ago, Justin Pierce has heard from AZ, ND, Ohio St., NW, Illinois, BC, Stanford, USC, Michigan, Wisconsin., Butler, Gonzaga, Ga Tech, DePaul, Nevada and Ole Miss. Safe to say he’ll be a highly sought-after grad transfer.

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William & Mary’s Justin Pierce, a two-time all-CAA guy, told @Stadium he will leave as a grad transfer. Put up 14.9 points, 8.9 boards and 4.1 assists this season.

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Not that I really care that they aren't but just an observation.

[HoosierFan1994]

1 minute ago, Bailey7878 said:

Big if on hunter. We need a grad transfer.

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Yes-insurance purposes. 

[Napleshoosier]

Well U.K. has zero instate talent so they must go poach out of state!


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[HoosierFan1994]

Just now, Iugradman said:

All under the “leadership” of McRobbie and Glass.

Yup. I blame them more than Crean and/or Miller. I've said it before, you have to know how your APR score will look. If that is really preventing us from bringing in/getting rid of certain players to make this team better, then why the H E double hockey sticks did they not step in and do something about it!!!

[Bailey7878]

IU has lost 15 plus games in three consecutive seasons twice...2009-2011, 2017-2019. Fun times. Fun times...

Honestly the fact we are in on any of these five stars is amazing given the state of the program.

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[clint13]

15 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’ll happen when we win basketball games at a rate where our fans don’t expect the next basketball apocalypse.

So, 3 good, winning seasons?


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Yeah

[HoosierFan1994]

Breaking News! Fred Glass has just announced there will be a "we finished 2nd in the Keion Brooks recruitment" banner hanging up in Assembly Hall. A statue and commemorative rings will soon follow!

[Demo]

11 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We were HEAVILY favored at 12-2 and Kentucky with target 1-4 not named Keion.

Keion however has always been lured by the brightest lights. I’m not surprised at all this is how it went.
If we finished the season near the top of the B1G I bet we would have landed him. But can’t say that for certain of course.


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Didn’t watch the announcement, so it may have been discussed then, but once UK ran through their higher priorities and got around to focusing on Brooks, i think it was effectively over. That’s where he wanted to be. His quotes in Corey Evans article make it clear that he bought into the Calipari pitch 100%. He didn’t care about going where he was most wanted or had friends or any of that nonsense. He and the folks bought into the completely fallacious snow job that Cal creates one and dones.They focused on a kid like Tyler Herro, who is probably the first mutiyear player that has grown into a OAD rather than the many OAD types who didn’t develop. A kid who really wants UK doesn’t want IU, and vice versa. It would be like saying you can’t decide if you want a porterhouse for dinner or maybe go vegan. They’re non-responsive.

[HoosierFan1994]

6 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

Honestly the fact we are in on any of these five stars is amazing given the state of the program.

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It has been 21 years since IU had back to back Mr. Basketball's (assuming TJD wins it). Have a stud PG. Need a wing and a shooter and you will have me sold. Think Archie needs to tweak the staff a bit. Not overreacting from this season-just think there needs to be a new voice. Don't know how much that changes things. 

[KingPG21]

Remember when this site wasn't just the same dudes turning every thread they can into a lets all just wallow in our misery together thread? 

 

Thankfully they haven't found a way to ruin the pro threads or the general threads

[Hoosier116]

Outcome biased is a real thing. On so many levels. Archie’s rebuild is gonna take time and patience which iu fans lack and quite frankly, don’t want to have with their beloved Hoosier b-ball team. It’s just tough altogether


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[colonel06]

Well not getting Keion sucks I think!


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[AKHoosier]

Honestly don't understand people saying "good luck Keion"

I definitely don't wish him ill will, but I sure as hell don't wish him luck.

[JSHoosier]

7 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

They are just remembering the old days. Not much of a difference between us and Washington is there? We just aren’t good. Sleeping giant? Maybe. But it will take a great coach to awake it. Is Archie that coach? Probably not even close. Not that’s he’s a bad coach but he just doesn’t seem to have what it takes to compete at the absolute highest level in the country. But fans just want to continue trying to build off what happened 30 years ago rather than trying to establish a 100% new era. Keep the tradition in the halls and the rafters. Time for a new era of Indiana basketball.


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We've taken the "new era" approach, not exactly a success so far.  

I'd prefer we say here's the expectations, either meet them or get out.  Worked wonders for Alabama football cycling through coach after coach after coach until they got it right, of course their administration actually cared.

[Old Friend]

Let me see if I can instill some sanity into this mess.

1)  No team...not Indiana, not anyone can effectively handle just one "1 and done" kid.  The reason is simply because that player will almost always have a different agenda than his team mates; and at this stage after almost 20 years of below standards basketball?  Indiana needs program kids.  Unless we want ti become UK and get a bunch every season, Indiana is better off without one and done players; and the ones they DO get need to have more than a right hand drive to the rim.  Just sayin'.

2)  Next season, Jerome Hunter will play.  And he's good.  I saw Arman Franklin play a few times.   We will not miss Romeo one bit.  You all can call me crazy if you want to....and I know some will.   But talk to me in 11 months.   Franklin is at least as athletic, a better shooter (although I wouldn't call him a shooter),and has a left hand.   Davis will be a year healthier.  Thompson will be healthy.  Phinisee will be healthy.  And TJD is very good.  I doubt we'll have to worry about Clifton Moore and perhaps 1 or 2 others...Indiana will be a better team next year.  By far.

3)  There will be another addition or two.  We won't know those names until we know who's leaving; but I'm here to tell you the sky did not fall tonight.  Brooks choosing UK means nothing to IU or the direction of IU or the downfall of IU or that IU "lost a player."   A kid who transferred to La Lumiere for basketball only reasons chose UK for basketball only reasons and he wouldn't have been a long term fix at IU any more than Romeo has been.

Breathe folks.   And please stop the incessant negativity.   Purdue lost tonight.  Rejoice in that consistent mess.  

[Rico]

6 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

We've taken the "new era" approach, not exactly a success so far.  

I'd prefer we say here's the expectations, either meet them or get out.  Worked wonders for Alabama football cycling through coach after coach after coach until they got it right, of course their administration actually cared.

Umm......Saban won a title at LSU.  He is Pitino.

[JaybobHoosier]

Let me see if I can instill some sanity into this mess.
1)  No team...not Indiana, not anyone can effectively handle just one "1 and done" kid.  The reason is simply because that player will almost always have a different agenda than his team mates; and at this stage after almost 20 years of below standards basketball?  Indiana needs program kids.  Unless we want ti become UK and get a bunch every season, Indiana is better off without one and done players; and the ones they DO get need to have more than a right hand drive to the rim.  Just sayin'.
2)  Next season, Jerome Hunter will play.  And he's good.  I saw Arman Franklin play a few times.   We will not miss Romeo one bit.  You all can call me crazy if you want to....and I know some will.   But talk to me in 11 months.   Franklin is at least as athletic, a better shooter (although I wouldn't call him a shooter),and has a left hand.   Davis will be a year healthier.  Thompson will be healthy.  Phinisee will be healthy.  And TJD is very good.  I doubt we'll have to worry about Clifton Moore and perhaps 1 or 2 others...Indiana will be a better team next year.  By far.
3)  There will be another addition or two.  We won't know those names until we know who's leaving; but I'm here to tell you the sky did not fall tonight.  Brooks choosing UK means nothing to IU or the direction of IU or the downfall of IU or that IU "lost a player."   A kid who transferred to La Lumiere for basketball only reasons chose UK for basketball only reasons and he wouldn't have been a long term fix at IU any more than Romeo has been.
Breathe folks.   And please stop the incessant negativity.   Purdue lost tonight.  Rejoice in that consistent mess.  

Very well said MY OldFriend ;)


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[ray]

I said it earlier that I'm extremely excited to have Armaan and Trayce on board.  I wanted Trayce far more than Keion until Indiana already had Trayce, then my focus turned to Keion because I thought the chemistry would more easily surface with young players who had experience playing together...coupled with the uncertainty of Jerome Hunter.  And then Keion went on a scoring binge at La Lu and naturally my interest level continued to rise.  However, I always thought Keion was a Kentucky type of recruit (or, at least his dad seemed the type to push his son in the direction of the NBA factory...although, I still think Calipari's success with the NBA has much more to do with the fact kids enrolling at UK are much more ready for the NBA...in other words, I think he's an amazing recruiter and a solid coach, but not the other way around.)  Regardless, it's obvious to us now Keion wanted to be at Kentucky.  He may shine (part of his reasoning for playing at La Lu was to be surrounded by talent he had to battle with and prove himself worthy of playing time).  It's also possible Keion is recruited over in the future and finds less time than he envisions...unless the one and done rules end those trends we often see from Calipari or Keion does land in the NBA after one year.  He would have been almost assured of major playing time at Indiana, but he wanted to go where he felt championships were possible and where the jersey he donned increased his NBA chances (whether his feeling serves him as well as he hopes or not).  He will have to fight for a spot at UK, and I wish him well.  If Jerome Hunter is healthy next year, then he might have been fighting for a spot at Indiana too.  The only thing I know for sure about his playing time is that I won't be watching him play for Kentucky.  I have no desire.  I watch Indiana.  I don't root for other teams, regardless of whether their roster has local kids or not.  Some will follow him, and I think that's great.  I just don't know the kid and he chose not to attend Indiana.  So, with that said, I will sign off of this thread and continue on careless of what happens to him going forward (but I wish him well).

I want to root for players who play for Indiana and take pride in what that means.  If they have lousy seasons, then I will still root for them and feel their pain.  The loyalty of someone like Brooks to UK is absent, unless he grew up a Kentucky fan...and even then, I question where that loyalty truly stems from.  Playing for your home state school isn't for everyone and he made his choice.  I want to focus on the players who have chosen Indiana.  I'm really excited to see how players develop this off-season.  It will be interesting to see what sort of roster turnover happens and what additions might come along.

This whole recruitment process can be disappointing and stressful for me, but I can't imagine what it's like for the coaching staff who devotes so many hours into developing relationships and then seeing a kid elect to go elsewhere.  I would gladly do it, especially for the money they bring home, but it has to be really hard getting close to players and then being shrugged off for someplace they believe is better (especially local players who showed a lot of interest at one time or even throughout the recruitment).  Recruitments like this make me so much more fond of players like Trayce Jackson Davis who seemed so interested in Indiana that all along he had exclusively gathered Crystal Ball picks for Indiana.  And what a relief it is for a player of Trayce Jackson Davis' caliber to quietly elect to enroll at Indiana without all the limelight.  He wanted to be at Indiana.  It wasn't about garnering national attention and dragging things out.  He made his visits, then he decided...and made it public with simplicity and no ego attached.  Those are the players I'm excited about.  And it's an added bonus when players stick around long enough for me to witness their development.

 

[JaybobHoosier]

Five of the last six seasons have had a minimum of 14 losses. It’s not just one bad season here or there with this program. And there is absolutely zero basis to claim IU will be fine going forward. Three straight seasons of missing the NCAA tournament and next year isn’t looking much better.

I get that, but you can’t put that all on Archie. Like I said, this year underachieved, but he also had an INSANE amount of injuries. Hunter didn’t play all season, Phinisee was hurt and coincided with our 1-12 stretch, Davis and Green being hurt/suspended, and Race and McRoberts being hurt most of the year. We saw how important Rob and DeRon were to this team.

I’m just as ticked as any IU fan about how our program has went the last 30+ years. It absolutely sucks, but I also recognize that this season was ridiculous in so many ways that couldn’t be helped. I don’t know if Archie is the right person for the job, but he CAN coach and recruit, and it will get better. I hope it’s back to NCAA Titles, but he will get us back into the tournament every year.


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[Old Friend]

9 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Better by far next year?


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Like I said, Chicken Little.....talk to me in 11 months.    Right now?  I'm sure you think the worst.....I can't be proven right or wrong until  at least next January; so laugh now.   But remember, and look me up then.  You can gloat or apologize and I expect whichever one is appropriate.