Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[tyappleg]

9 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/inside-look-at-life-as-one-of-the-most-tampered-with-players-in-college-basketball
 

Sounds like a great young man with a good head on his shoulders. His dad has coached him and has lots of connections in the college coaching world. Hopefully, KJ is one of them 

 

[BA47591]

Can we call Baye Ndongo of Georgia Tech and offer him a load of money. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I have two thoughts that seem contradictory but are actually congruent:

1) I am very interested in the pieces that CDD thinks are worthy and their quality and stats.

Yet ultimately 

2) I don’t give a rat’s @$$ how well-regarded our new players are. I just care how well they play together and how much they WIN.

Year 1 means everything these days. If he doesn’t get preseason hype started, that is fine. It doesn’t look like he will. To me, cracking preseason top 25 would be enough. I don’t think he does that. Then he better have a great season. Narrative will form early. Can’t get off on the wrong front. I think he’s trying to recruit “we” players instead of “me” players.

 

I think part of the “sell” is the brand and preseason rankings are part of that.

 

Like you say, if he wins it should start projecting forward. If not recruiting only gets harder.

 

 

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

I'll worry about how we stack up against other teams or whether we will be "a long way off" from other teams when the roster is full.

So far, I like what has been brought in. Now, I will just wait on the completion of the roster

 

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[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

DeVries certainly isn’t splashy.  Gonna be interesting to see if what he’s building is good enough.  Computers got us hovering around 30-40.   Might be able to break top 25 with the right finishing moves.  

Would be nice to start high as computers are a factor throughout. However it looks like we will have to earn it.  
 

Wilkerson was Splashy, but no way our roster has any appearance of a top 10 paid roster.  I find it interesting despite apparently having the resources.  
 

I’ll be honest I love an off-season where we are talked about on all the pods and national circles.  Part of that is coach respect.  We’ve got a rebuild of sorts going on here still.  
 

 

In terms of splash, On3 has IU bringing in the 15th, 31st, 34th, and 96th rated transfers.  15th is Tucker Devries, the others are from mid/low majors.  But mid/low majors don't necessarily equate to lack of splash, just they are players you weren't familiar with until the transfer portal.

Would you call the following group splashy?

Isaac McNeely (Virginia)

Rodney Rice (Maryland)

Morez Johnson (Illinois)

Rakease Passmore (Kansas)

Because that group of four are the P5 players directly below the 15th, 31st, 34th, and 96th rated transfers.

[RaceToTheTop]

49 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

 

Have to say realistically it's Creighton, Ohio State, and LSU.  Howard just thrown in there for sentimental's sake.

[Home Jersey]

Apparently (per Twitter) this guy was mentioned on Trilly’s discord as one to keep an eye on for IU fans. Class of 2024 #81 overall #13 PF

[Okram]

17 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Apparently (per Twitter) this guy was mentioned on Trilly’s discord as one to keep an eye on for IU fans. Class of 2024 #81 overall #13 PF

Interesting.  He announced he would return to LSU on April 11th. 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Rabby alluded to there being more visits this week but didn’t say who 

[Paye32]

Malcolm in the middle? Led the nation in shot blocks...

[Asha’man]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Year 1 means everything these days. If he doesn’t get preseason hype started, that is fine. It doesn’t look like he will. To me, cracking preseason top 25 would be enough. I don’t think he does that. Then he better have a great season. Narrative will form early. Can’t get off on the wrong front. I think he’s trying to recruit “we” players instead of “me” players.

 

I think part of the “sell” is the brand and preseason rankings are part of that.

 

Like you say, if he wins it should start projecting forward. If not recruiting only gets harder.

 

 

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Neither Michigan or Louisville had preseason hype. They made their own hype with their play. We need to win games not the press conference or the preseason hype. We will be competitive and we shall see how it goes. But DeVries record shows he knows how to win. Have some confidence. 

[JaybobHoosier]

3 hours ago, Asha’man said:

Long way off from who? Guess it depends on expectations for year 1. I just want to safely be in the dance. But I also bet DeVries wants to make a run as it’s his son’s last year. He is taking players to make a team and coach them up. 
 

I think as we get rolling with high school recruiting then things will stabilize but so far I see a roster that’s only half put together and the computers have us ranked where we should expect to be in the dance. Let’s see how the rest fills out. 
 

Also, go look at all the star rankings for Purdue. They are mediocre. Yet Painter knows how to build a team and they will be a top team next year. It’s not about stats if you know what you’re looking for. We will find out this fall if coach got it right or not. But his track record is one of success. 

Said it perfectly! Coach is building a team to compete, not just collect talent. He knows how to put together a team, and has been successful at doing so. Little resources/talent at Drake and lost 2 of his top players at WV, and still had success. 
 

I’m not saying the 1st year will be perfect, and I’m on record saying a tournament birth isn’t necessary in year 1. However, I think coach is doing a good job navigating a lot of stuff. A mess of things from the past 8+ years, and he was only at WV one year, didn’t have a ton of time building relationships with recruits and teams. A turnaround might take a him a little time, and coach deserves our patience!

[TheWatShot]

10 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

 

I’m not saying the 1st year will be perfect, and I’m on record saying a tournament birth isn’t necessary in year 1.

Man, I don't know about this. Imagine how toxic this place will be if we're looking at 3 straight years of no tournament. 

[OGIUAndy]

24 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Man, I don't know about this. Imagine how toxic this place will be if we're looking at 3 straight years of no tournament. 

Yeah, I would say it's pretty much necessary to be honest. A good coach should be able to get us in the tournament relatively easily too. 

[Unexpectedflash]

We better make the tourney. It’s a different time than when Archie was coach. Good coaches are good in year one now. Can’t be one of the teams spending 10 million on a roster and then miss the tourney. With those resources come a certain level of expectations 

[HoosierHoopster]

21 hours ago, Asha’man said:

Neither Michigan or Louisville had preseason hype. They made their own hype with their play. We need to win games not the press conference or the preseason hype. We will be competitive and we shall see how it goes. But DeVries record shows he knows how to win. Have some confidence. 

And as to hype, Woodson’s portal class got lots of hype… whoopee. How’d that turn out?

the players DeVries has already brought in are clearly demonstrated good players and they fit his system and player type and they complement each other’s games, a focus on SHOOTING- perimeter play with playmaking and assists, rebounding with transition, and toughness.
We have a ball club that I’m betting is already heads above this past season’s group (though it was undercut by lazy and incompetent Mike), and it’s still being built. I’m really happy with the way things are looking so far

[JaybobHoosier]

10 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

Man, I don't know about this. Imagine how toxic this place will be if we're looking at 3 straight years of no tournament. 

I think there is a good shot at it, but I think it depends on perception. IU hasn’t been a good team for 8-9 years, and if IU has a good season and there was growth, then why should this place be toxic? IU fans gave patience to Woody and and Miller (or at least they should have), so why can’t fans give Coach Devries patience? 
 

We all want the same thing, but part of the fan base sees everything as a negative unless we have a top recruiting class and top team. Coach Devries built a tournament level team without two of his top players, and turned Drake around when it was a historically terrible program. I understand being hesitant and not a fan of the hire, but I guess I don’t get why people won’t give Coach Devries rope to get things going?! 
 

Woodson was not a good coach, but still landed really good recruits. So if we miss the tournament why is it doom and gloom? I don’t mean to go in circles, I just see things differently which is all good. We all want to win, so as long as we get there with Coach Devries then it will all be good.

[rcbowla]

1 hour ago, JaybobHoosier said:

Said it perfectly! Coach is building a team to compete, not just collect talent. He knows how to put together a team, and has been successful at doing so. Little resources/talent at Drake and lost 2 of his top players at WV, and still had success. 
 

I’m not saying the 1st year will be perfect, and I’m on record saying a tournament birth isn’t necessary in year 1. However, I think coach is doing a good job navigating a lot of stuff. A mess of things from the past 8+ years, and he was only at WV one year, didn’t have a ton of time building relationships with recruits and teams. A turnaround might take a him a little time, and coach deserves our patience!

Respect the hell out of ya but......couldn't disagree more. Have, and I mean HAVE, to make the tourney in year 1. Not only that but I think be comfortably in as a 9 seed or better. Can't accept less from a coach with the payroll we're working with.

[bigrod]

3 hours ago, rcbowla said:

Respect the hell out of ya but......couldn't disagree more. Have, and I mean HAVE, to make the tourney in year 1. Not only that but I think be comfortably in as a 9 seed or better. Can't accept less from a coach with the payroll we're working with.

So we're looking for another coach next year if we don't make the tournament? I don't disagree that we should, but I think we should all be looking for a sound foundation building season before all else. This program is broken. Let's crawl, walk, and then run. We've had more resources than most for the past 25 years, and it's gotten us here. 

[Pagoda]

It's tough to see a scenario where we spend $11M on a roster (top-10) and we've got one of the biggest program budgets in the country for staff, etc., and we miss the tournament and that's not a pretty big red flag.  I am fine being patient and I want to be patient, but when a coach gets these sort of resources, they just have do something with it all, or why is IU giving him $11M for players?  

We really haven't been a big resource program until the NIL era, and the last two years we have really ramped up the resources.  I say this because pre-NIL we didn't do much of the under the table payments stuff to players, which made it hard to compete with KU, UK, Duke, UNC, etc. for top talent.

Two things stand out to me on why we really should make the tourney:

1) Making the tournament is not that hard, even though IUBB has made it seem hard.  With these top-10 resources, we've just got to be a top-35 or so team in the country to get in the tournament.  Mike Woodson more or less had the same resources last year (this year other teams are a little more competitive on resources), and despite him doing a terrible, terrible job, he still almost made it.  I mean it took a Mike Woodson masterclass to miss the tourney. 

Plus, we just saw UM, UL, and UK go through something similar to what we are going through and they made it.  I don't think the tourney is a high bar.

2) After this season, we're going to have a lot of key players run out of eligibility, so we're going to be pretty heavy in the portal again next year.  There is nothing wrong with this, it takes time to build in some high school recruiting, but if the portal didn't work in CDD's first year, then I'm not sure why it would be much better in the second year coming off a missed tourney.

If we miss the tourney in year one, I don't want to fire CDD, that's insane.  But I am going to be very worried because he just spent $11M picking his own team and he didn't do well.  I'll just have to hope he fixes it in year two with better portal picks and some internal development.  

And to be clear, I'm not worried right now.  While I don't have a great read on CDD yet, he's a quiet guy, his track record of program building and coaching at Drake and WVU looks good.  He is off to a good start in the portal and it's still early.  And some people I've ran into have good things to say about him, and they aren't IU fans.  For me, he's got free rein to do his thing this portal and hire his staff.  We won't know how well he did in the portal until we play games.  A top-30 player could be so-so, and a kid ranked #100+ may blow up, and the team has to fit together and be well coached.  And I think the team will be, and we go on to make the tourney and build from there.  But, I guess this rambling post is a way too long way to say I have a hard time seeing a missed tourney as anything else but a pretty serious red flag (assuming no bad injuries).