They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[pumpfake]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yeah, Archie was on the rise and not declining at the end of year 3. Plus he didn't have the NIL to work with let alone one as big as Woodson does

A couple of weeks ago the Assembly Call guys were debating the "Woodson problem".  One of them cited the historical outcome for coaches who have bad records in their third season - it's not good.

[MemphisHoosier]

30 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

That depends, are you willing to swallow the red pill and join my IUBB QAnon cult? 

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Does it require a monthly discord investment?  

[AKHoosier]

Someone wake up Kathy I mean Cathy.

[Feathery]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'll try that one:

1) Dusty May will be a P5 head coach somewhere by mid-April.

2) And this, which I have said from the start and still adhere to: There is still at least as good a chance that Dusty May will be IU's head coach by mid-April as there is that Mike Woodson will still be head coach.

RTZ on the other site still thinks Woody retiring is a possibility. But who knows. 
 

if I’m Dolson and my hand was forced for a 4th year with Woodson then I try to have him announce he is retiring after next season. Have one last go with him. Then I go ahead and hire Dusty as the GM for 1 year and announce he will be the HC the following year. This allows him to start recruiting for his first year as HC and help secure a couple multi year portal guys this year to help with the transition. 
 

[HoosierHuddle]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I'll take a stab at why someone would. We still would have top 10 NIL money for the new coach to go use in the portal. He can keep a few of our players already. Might bring some with him. Plus the 25 class from the state is really good. Probably a good time also to get IU to overpay with the situation were in. 

All of that plus...the bar is so low that we'd for at least a couple of seasons, we'd be thrilled with even the slightest signs of life and competency. Finish in the top half of the Big Ten, actually attempt to recruit, sign two (gasp!) high school recruits and play something resembling modern basketball and IU fans would be very happy. Do more than that and you might get a statue and a fat extension. Things are dark right now, no question. But there are still very good reasons for good candidates to want this job and it could turn around very quickly.

[Chris007]

Just now, pumpfake said:

A couple of weeks ago the Assembly Call guys were debating the "Woodson problem".  One of them cited the historical outcome for coaches who have bad records in their third season - it's not good.

If I remember correctly IUPhilly just posted on Peegs after running the data of coaches who drop over 50 spots in net from year 2 to 3. Not a single one made it past year 4. 

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, HoosierCoop said:

Any SEC football fans

Ohio St. football fans

UNC basketball fans

UK basketball fans

......and Indiana fans are the worst???  BS???

They are bad AND have a recruiting pipeline.

Michigan football fans are the worst out here in Arizona...

[OKHOOSIER]

51 minutes ago, Muskie for three said:

Does this train wreck . Give MR and MM leverage . Couldn't they ask for an outlandish nil deal .

Oh boy, we were going to have to overpay to fill the roster beforehand. After? This will be the most expensive roster since NIL started. Not that I think there is much hope but same could be said for a new coach. Someone like May could certainly ask for more as he would be risking his future earning potential by coming to a studs level rebuild. Same with Pearl and his legacy. We are cooked. This has just started a minimum 3 year rebuild and that’s with whoever the coach is. 

[Hovadipo]

3 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

This from the below article from the Daily Hoosier:

“

There is nothing that stands in the way of success when it comes to recruiting if you are Indiana right now.

Yet here they sit, with no class of 2024 commits.  Something is clearly broken.”

Well that something is Mike Woodson, his staff and the Administration.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-basketball-has-no-commits-in-its-2024-class-and-it-shouldnt-be-this-hard/

Whew, @Mike Schumann bringing the heat.

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

[Stuhoo]

15 minutes ago, Feathery said:

1) RTZ on the other site still thinks Woody retiring is a possibility. But who knows. 
 

2) if I’m Dolson and my hand was forced for a 4th year with Woodson then I try to have him announce he is retiring after next season. Have one last go with him. Then I go ahead and hire Dusty as the GM for 1 year and announce he will be the HC the following year. This allows him to start recruiting for his first year as HC and help secure a couple multi year portal guys this year to help with the transition. 
 

1) I agree with RTZ.

2) If I'm Dusty May there is no way in holy hell that I'm signing up for that.

• $4 million/per year times five years as head coach of Ohio State or West Virginia, or
• Reporting to Mike Woodson on an IU sinking ship for $1.25 million for one year? 

[Hornsby]

This whole quinn and Scott plan that Woodson can just go buy all these great players in the portal is absurd. Liam just proved its not just about money. All the best portal players will be able to go to schools like Kansas or Arizona do why would they choose iu? Woodson isn't going to be able yo outbid those schools and money is all he hs to offer. They have good programs and winningbto offer.

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[Alford Bailey]

The McNeeley decommit completely changes the dynamic for next season. I would expect Woodson coming back to be revisited.

[AZ Hoosier]

58 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

These people are idiots.  

Well, this did happen about 10 years ago... so... do the math?

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/05/05/indianapolis-zoo-naming-orangutan-exhibit-cindy-simon-skjodt/8713287/

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'll try that one:

1) Dusty May will be a P5 head coach somewhere by mid-April.

2) And this, which I have said from the start and still adhere to: There is still at least as good a chance that Dusty May will be IU's head coach by mid-April as there is that Mike Woodson will still be head coach.

I'll grant you #1.

Your point #2 is pretty damn gutsy given the $$ have spoken their mind and in effect are blackmailing the university to keep him.  Egos are way too big to do an about face and now say OK, go ahead and get a new coach.

[pumpfake]

54 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes IU is going to have to overpay for any NIL deals. Rabby said agents are asking for an extra 50K for their clients going to schools on shakey ground. It might be more money for the earthquake were on

Given the dire circumstances, we'll likely only have a chance with guys motivated mostly by the money - not the desire for team success, not to advance their skills.  Maybe there's players who are looking for playing time but they probably won't be difference makers.  The best chance for a major name would be a big who's looking to be the feature player so he can bolt to the NBA at the end of the season.

This is the recipe for failure.

[QuinnB(BOT)(Perfectin76)]

2 hours ago, hper50 said:

Good morning to everyone except Quinn Buckner 

Hey now, partner, that isn't very kind. 

[Hornsby]

The McNeeley decommit completely changes the dynamic for next season. I would expect Woodson coming back to be revisited.

I doubt it. It appears this Scott family is all in on him and thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread

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[AZ Hoosier]

48 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

To keep certain donors happy. The thought being that one more year of Woody would do less damage to the department as a whole than burning that bridge.

Not saying I agree, just giving a reason...

That one doesn't work for me... why would someone wealthy enough to do what they've done want to pour their money down a rat hole? The whole program is imploding, and they keep throwing money at it... unless they have so much money that they need a tax write-off... but still... it just boggles the mind.

[Herotime]

2 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

The McNeeley decommit completely changes the dynamic for next season. I would expect Woodson coming back to be revisited.

I think it changes nothing. Chumps like us already think Woody should be gone. The geniuses who make the call don’t care about ball. What the difference is there in fishing one more guy from the portal? I’m not sure where the change comes from, but I’m open to being persuaded.