They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Artie86]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

OK I get what your saying. And that makes total sense. I just feel like this time you can't be cheap, you have to throw a ton of money at whoever you think can do the job. Your losing fans already, and it's going to take a big hit to get some back. 

....we land a coach like BS, fans will be absolutely insane!  We will see students camping out in line to Assembly Hall, like the old days for their seat.

[AH1971]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU football literally just did after an entire program history of a “down period” with far worse NIL resources in a sport that’s much harder to make immediate improvements in given roster sizes. 

Literally zero expectations for Cignetti and the football program. None. 

Look at DeBoer and Alabama who went 9-3 in  year 1. Already on the hot seat.

That's IU's basketball expectations for a program who has shown nothing the last 30 years.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Artie86 said:

....we a coach like BS, fans will be absolutely insane!  We will see students camping out in line to Assembly Hall, like the old days for their seat.

That's what my son said to me the other day. He said can you imagine my freshman year at IU we get Cignetti and my sophomore year we get Stevens. I said that would be awesome but let's slow it down for now. 

[Chris007]

7 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

Somebody just did this with a much worse program, with less support, and in a harder sport to do it in. I'll let you figure out who it was. 

Yeah, the expectation for Alabama football every year is the final 4 or the national championship. After the last 30 years here for IUBB our expectations are just to make the tournament and we can't even get a coach to do that right now. 

 

Your comparison is spot on in my eyes

[Artie86]

28 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think a lot of people on here last year would have taken Mark Pope in a heartbeat. Fun style of play. The only negative I saw was he played at UK. So a top 5 program got a really good coach and their still a top 5 program. Hopefully we go that route this time

.....totally agree. I also feel anywhere Pope ended up (NOT UK) would only be temporary. IMO, UK was his dream job.

[IUHoosierJoe]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

That's what my son said to me the other day. He said can you imagine my freshman year at IU we get Cignetti and my sophomore year we get Stevens. I said that would be awesome but let's slow it down for now. 

My son's a freshman there as well, and we're hoping for the same thing.

[Pagoda]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Literally zero expectations for Cignetti and the football program. None. 

Look at DeBoer and Alabama who went 9-3 in  year 1. Already on the hot seat.

That's IU's basketball expectations for a program who has shown nothing the last 30 years.

Those are not the expectations here, no matter how many different ways you try to say it.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, johnsoniu said:

In keeping with his strict criteria, Rico would like to enter Arkansas St HC Bryan Hodgson's name into the discussion....

 

Looks like this make a wish kid lied about his age on the application.

[Demo]

19 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU football literally just did after an entire program history of a “down period” with far worse NIL resources in a sport that’s much harder to make immediate improvements in given roster sizes. 

100%. Listing jobs as top 5-10 jobs now has become an antiquated mindset. Crean took the job here because 15 years ago heritage jobs were a thing. If you wanted to be a legend that stuff mattered. Now it’s far less so. There’s nothing an IU can offer an Oats that he can’t get at Bama. The question about any job is are the resources and infrastructure in place to win at an elite level? If the answer’s yes then it’s a great job. The answer here is a big yes. So what they have to nail down is the fit of the guy. This job’s got heat. Not for everybody, but there are a bunch of guys who could do really well.

[TadQueasy]

13 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Looks like this make a wish kid lied about his age on the application.

He definitely outkicked his coverage by a LARGE margin.  

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

What's our record on madison the last 30 years like 1-25? But this king will cook. Lol.

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The last time we won, BK was the coach

[Silat Player]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

IU can absolutely become a good program again and a decent one at that quick. But it's not going to happen in a 1-2 year span. You're not ever going to erase a 30 year down period overnight. And with each lost season and each passing coach the desperation grows bigger and bigger every single year.

This is such a wild take. 

In the age of the transfer portal and NIL, this has never been less true. 

And with IU's resources, the roster can be flipped so fast. I mean, Woody nearly flipped the roster last season. He can't coach, but he nearly flipped it out of necessity because he hasn't been doing any long-term recruiting. 

I have no idea what you're talking about here...

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

This is such a wild take. 

In the age of the transfer portal and NIL, this has never been less true. 

And with IU's resources, the roster can be flipped so fast. I mean, Woody nearly flipped the roster last season. He can't coach, but he nearly flipped it out of necessity because he hasn't been doing any long-term recruiting. 

I have no idea what you're talking about here...

One good season is not going to erase 30+ years of futility.

Pretty straight forward response. 

[IUFAN1976]

4 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

This is such a wild take. 

In the age of the transfer portal and NIL, this has never been less true. 

And with IU's resources, the roster can be flipped so fast. I mean, Woody nearly flipped the roster last season. He can't coach, but he nearly flipped it out of necessity because he hasn't been doing any long-term recruiting. 

I have no idea what you're talking about here...

And look what Louisville has done.  Pretty all new roster and coach

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

And look what Louisville has done.  Pretty all new roster and coach

Louisville has a nice little year going for them. Doesn't change anything what I said. If Pat Kelsey continues this for 3-4 straight seasons it will have become an excellent hire. But he loses 8 of his top 10 players this year. Guessing an inevitable step back for him next season. 

[monskisprodigy]

I just want a competent coach, with energy, a vision and a history of building winning cultures at any level, who can Make March Fun Again...

No one is a guarantee, and not sure who the right fit is...but regardless of name or where they come from, I think the fans will bye in and give grace & time if a coach can articulate and relentlessly attack his vision to deliver on the above...

[Artie86]

23 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

One good season is not going to erase 30+ years of futility.

Pretty straight forward response. 

....I know we are talking about BB here, but I'm pretty sure one good season of IU Football seemed to erase decades of futility amongst many if not all IU Football fans,.... at least for right now. If we stay this trend, consider those past years, the past.

[CSP]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Louisville has a nice little year going for them. Doesn't change anything what I said. If Pat Kelsey continues this for 3-4 straight seasons it will have become an excellent hire. But he loses 8 of his top 10 players this year. Guessing an inevitable step back for him next season. 

Didn't they lose one of their top players and are still ranked Year 1 with PK? 

Regardless, you've failed to make a decent point in the "it'll take X amount of years for us to be good again" sector of the discussion. 

Mulitple coaches make us a T25 team Day 1. 

[OldBuddy67]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

OK I get what your saying. And that makes total sense. I just feel like this time you can't be cheap, you have to throw a ton of money at whoever you think can do the job. Your losing fans already, and it's going to take a big hit to get some back. 

Correct Chris! My IU circle of friends are like strangers anymore. We used to get together for games at least 1/2 the season but haven't in years. They 've had it like the majority of us. My only interest is getting on this board to get hope that the university will right the ship and reverse the last 30 years of nonsense!

[iu eyedoc]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

He is a shark.   absolutely one of the best recruiters in today’s game.   Was Oats right hand man when they went to Bama.   

Definitely looks like a predator.