They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Just so I follow we have to get a mid-major coach because we are a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten team or do we have to go that route because we aren't allowed to skip steps and get a big-time coach?

If a big-time coach will turn down doubling their salary because we aren't where were at as a program right now then we should probably take their name off the list. 

Replace "have to" with "might" and you've hit the nail on the head.

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Whoever the coach is the bar is so low from what fans have expected the last 8 years it wouldn’t take much to gain those fans back.   Make it to the second weekend in your first couple years and he would give IU fans something they haven’t experienced in a while.   Crazy the lack of tourney success this program has had 

To illustrate just how bad it's gotten, I think I can sum up IU's current status using only three words:

1. Vanderbilt 
2. Is
3. Better

[ap2345]

Guys IU is a top 5 job in the current landscape. That’s just reality. There will be lots of interest. 

[Demo]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

To illustrate just how bad it's gotten, I think I can sum up IU's current status using only three words:

1. Vanderbilt 
2. Is
3. Better

And they’ve got their HC in place. Funny how that works.

[AH1971]

Just now, ap2345 said:

Guys IU is a top 5 job in the current landscape. That’s just reality. There will be lots of interest. 

Not anywhere close.

Kentucky is an actual top 5 job and just got Mark Pope after being turned down by the some of the biggest names in college basketball. 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Guys IU is a top 5 job in the current landscape. That’s just reality. There will be lots of interest. 

Yes I agree that we are still a big time job, whether it's top 5 or top something. So AH is right - UK got turned down by all the white whales with a top 5 job and while it's probably inaccurate when he says we're "not anywhere close" the point remains that white whales tend to already be where they want to be.

 

[str8baller]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Whoever the coach is the bar is so low from what fans have expected the last 8 years it wouldn’t take much to gain those fans back.   Make it to the second weekend in your first couple years and he would give IU fans something they haven’t experienced in a while.   Crazy the lack of tourney success this program has had 

Yep. I kinda poke at the younger fans for their more favorable opinion on Crean. But I can’t really blame them. I don’t know what any fans under 40 would even expect out of this program. Fans under 30 haven’t seen us do a thing unless they remember Davis’s one run when they were a little kid.  
 

Even a B+ coach that put together something like  a S16 and E8 in his first four years would have the fans riled up. 

[CSP]

4 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Guys IU is a top 5 job in the current landscape. That’s just reality. There will be lots of interest. 

Idk if it's Top 5, but it's certainly not lower than 10, and absolutely could be Top 5 quickly. 

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Not anywhere close.

Kentucky is an actual top 5 job and just got Mark Pope after being turned down by the some of the biggest names in college basketball. 

lol

[OKHOOSIER]

18 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Maybe since you said it this time it won't fall on deaf ears. I doubt it though.

No man, we get it. We know you think IU is a mediocre job, you’ve made that abundantly clear.

Some of us aren’t ready to jump that shark. If we end up 5+ guys down the list, feel free to dance on the grave of IU basketball being an elite program. And you can laugh at all of us for daring to believe there is still something special about IU. You don’t believe the job is still special, I get it and even understand the view in some respects. I’ve been an IU fan for 25 years, I’ve seen more bad basketball than good. But I still believe the job is special. 

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Not anywhere close.

Kentucky is an actual top 5 job and just got Mark Pope after being turned down by the some of the biggest names in college basketball. 

I think a lot of people on here last year would have taken Mark Pope in a heartbeat. Fun style of play. The only negative I saw was he played at UK. So a top 5 program got a really good coach and their still a top 5 program. Hopefully we go that route this time

[IUHoosierJoe]

16 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU can get whoever they want if they say yes.    You don’t see many teams that have been down 30 years get the white whale.   Plenty of big time coaches will say yes however you don’t see the Stevens, Donavans coming in on a white horse to save a program 

I get what you guys are saying, and there's a lot of people who share that opinion.  I just don't think we're your normal, average program that's been down.  It's more like we've underachieved for 25 years since Knight.  Those that are a little older will remember Alabama football from Bear Bryant (1982) to Nick Saban (2007).  Just like our past 25 years (except they won a championship, and we only played for one).  We can pretend there's no potential here, or we can go get our Nick Saban like Alabama did.  It's entirely up to us how much longer we want to suck.  

[str8baller]

5 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Guys IU is a top 5 job in the current landscape. That’s just reality. There will be lots of interest. 

Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and probably UNC are demonstrably better, imo. Infrastructure, admin, fan support, funds, etc.. are all better or at worst even with IU. 
 

From there you’d have to think IU is hands down better than the next group that starts with UCLA and probably includes Uconn, MSU, Lville and non basketball, but basketball friendly, schools like Tenn, Texas, Florida, etc… to say IU is a for sure a top 5 job.  
 

I’d say we’re one of the top 10 jobs that matter still. But that doesn’t mean people are beating down the door to get here. 

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

No man, we get it. We know you think IU is a mediocre job, you’ve made that abundantly clear.

Some of us aren’t ready to jump that shark. If we end up 5+ guys down the list, feel free to dance on the grave of IU basketball being an elite program. And you can laugh at all of us for daring to believe there is still something special about IU. You don’t believe the job is still special, I get it and even understand the view in some respects. I’ve been an IU fan for 25 years, I’ve seen more bad basketball than good. But I still believe the job is special. 

IU can absolutely become a good program again and a decent one at that quick. But it's not going to happen in a 1-2 year span. You're not ever going to erase a 30 year down period overnight. And with each lost season and each passing coach the desperation grows bigger and bigger every single year.

[ap2345]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Not anywhere close.

Kentucky is an actual top 5 job and just got Mark Pope after being turned down by the some of the biggest names in college basketball. 

Well you are uninformed 

[ap2345]

The thing is comparing IU to UK is tricky. None of the names they went after last year had real ties to UK or Kentucky until they got to Pope. On the flips side that’s the exact opposite. Oh and Trilly even said just a couple days ago that IUnis considered a top 5 job too.

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Well you are uninformed 

Watch who we hire next month.

You'll see.

[ap2345]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Watch who we hire next month.

You'll see.

Ok 

[Hoosierfan2017]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

IU can absolutely become a good program again and a decent one at that quick. But it's not going to happen in a 1-2 year span. You're not ever going to erase a 30 year down period overnight. And with each lost season and each passing coach the desperation grows bigger and bigger every single year.

IU football literally just did after an entire program history of a “down period” with far worse NIL resources in a sport that’s much harder to make immediate improvements in given roster sizes. 

[WeeDerkaNaut]

Man's living the dream as a Head Coach and has a beautiful wife...y'all need to cut the gummy back from 10 to 2.5 lmao

[tyappleg]

16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

IU can absolutely become a good program again and a decent one at that quick. But it's not going to happen in a 1-2 year span. You're not ever going to erase a 30 year down period overnight. And with each lost season and each passing coach the desperation grows bigger and bigger every single year.

Somebody just did this with a much worse program, with less support, and in a harder sport to do it in. I'll let you figure out who it was.