They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[KathywithaC]

8 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Interim coaches have worked as many times as the short numbers of examples you've given that haven't. You have no conclusive data and only anecdotes that fail to consider the larger picture. Where is the data? Do you know what conclusive data is? Also, EddyO won a national title and is a beloved figure by LSU nation.

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

[Artie86]

5 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

I think some of the assistant coaches have checked out as well.  Why care if the king will not listen to what you have to say.

If he is gone, they may FINALLY have a respected and appreciated VOICE.

[mark1981]

3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think it’s very plausible, but I would be surprised if that happens today or tomorrow or even this month. If it occurs, early March would be the most likely time frame. If they elect to go to that length to give him a dignified exit, I think they’d let the season progress to a point where the end is in sight.

That's disappointing to hear.  We have enough talent and time to salvage the season and make the tourney.  This is the last go around for several of these players.  He needs to do the right thing and give them a chance.

[mdiu28]

7 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

QB cares deeply about the University and the basketball program. Disagree with him all you want, but the “he doesn’t care” stuff is ridiculous, with all due respect.

I get what you're throwing down here. What you're saying is QB is going to hire himself as head coach after Woody retires. 

[MikeRoberts]

1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

They aren’t “my guys” any more than they’re “your guys”. But I do understand the visceral reactions here. We haven’t had an elite program for several decades, and that’s due to a bunch of people in positions of leadership who were each convinced they knew what they were doing. Way too many cooks who can’t and couldn’t boil water.

Those Cooks and the other Cooks have watched this team lose 5 games by a total of 111 points.

111 points, that is unreal. If they keep that up and there are no signs of life here that will change and they don’t let him go or announce it then they are not only watching this place burn down but also throwing fuel on the fire.

Anyone complicit in that should be fired along with Woodson

[hoosierbannerd]

7 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Worse, how can it get any worse.  Look around Ellen, we're at the threshold of hell. (Classic Christmas Vacation for those that don't know).

I was thinking this exact thing. I was also thinking as IU fans on this board, his line "No, no. We're all in this together!".…LOL

[JSHoosier]

25 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The process has never been the problem. Leadership has been the problem.

Sounds an awful lot like doing the same things and expecting different results.

[KathywithaC]

8 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I’m not surprised.  You seem dense. 
Just look at X.  A lot of crazies out there who have it out for the administration.  Why risk a bad situation like what happened to the UHC CEO?

People have had it.  I’ve followed IU basketball for 40 years.  I’ve never seen anything like it.  The whole situation is a giant powder keg if they don’t move now.

What does the DB situation have to do with any of this? And are you really suggesting that IU fans would become violent toward Woodson? That’s either dense or really concerning.

[Mr. Hoosier Pride]

8 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m just not prone to emotionally driven decisions, since they rarely produce good results. 

4 years of results is hardly emotional Kathy, move past the emotional argument. there's science behind the arguments to move on. See Crossbone (i think that's the poster's name) above, see also losses piling up, recruits being lost ... there's no future as is.....all of that leads me to a decision that is based on anything but emotion.  

So far, you've argued "but we might lose games without Woody" and "i don't' make decisions based on emotions" .... what's your next move?

[IU Prof]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

Are you talking about interim coaches who were appointed full time, or just those who turned a team's fortunes around the same season that the HC was fired?

If the former, then Dabo Swinney. If the latter, then Diebler at OSU just last year. There's plenty of examples of the latter.

But I don't think anyone is proposing that an interim be given the job beyond the rest of this season, so I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

[Chris007]

45 minutes ago, FightFor6 said:

 

Well it's definitely not Cuinn with a Q so maybe it's Kindy with a C? What say you Khris?

Very close to Dcott Solson

[KathywithaC]

3 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

That's disappointing to hear.  We have enough talent and time to salvage the season and make the tourney.  This is the last go around for several of these players.  He needs to do the right thing and give them a chance.

Who would you get to take the interim position?

[hper50]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

How about Jake Diebler taking over for Holtmann at OSU literally last year? And the dude got the freakin' job. We obviously aren't even looking for that. Just someone to do as well as they can and reenergize the program as much as possible as we transition.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think fans would show up and cheer like crazy for these guys if they knew we were going in another direction at season's end

[68Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

If he is gone, they may have FINALLY have a respected and appreciated VOICE.

You know some of the players have to be really wondering why they came here for this.  I know they have the talent and want to be coached and win games.  My guess is they have no voice either and are just following the leader to keep their playing time.  Shocked some have not left the team and started portal shopping already.

[KathywithaC]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

4 years of results is hardly emotional Kathy, move past the emotional argument. there's science behind the arguments to move on. See Crossbone (i think that's the poster's name) above, see also losses piling up, recruits being lost ... there's no future as is.....all of that leads me to a decision that is based on anything but emotion.  

So far, you've argued "but we might lose games without Woody" and "i don't' make decisions based on emotions" .... what's your next move?

Let the season play out and then make a reasoned decision based on the results to date and the long term benefit of the program. 

[MikeRoberts]

30 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The process has never been the problem. Leadership has been the problem.

You can’t be serious with this statement. The process was created by the leadership and has created the leadership//hired the leadership…

the process is broken at Indiana and has been

[WeeDerkaNaut]

53 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

What types of reactions do you envision? Are you embellishing or do you really believe IU fans will become violent? Should Woodson be concerned for his safety, and that of his family? 

Jerry Krause's wife might have some enlightening insight on that particular question. Do we really want to risk a repeat of that? That was extremely ugly business. If you don't believe sports fanbases are and can get really bad, look at some futbol teams fans, or, if you need something closer to home, the recent situation with the Philly Eagles fan being permanently banned from watching them live. Eagles fans are very well known to be one of the most toxic and violent fanbases out there. So that's two different states that have had that, plus multiple countries. You honestly believe that it wouldn't happen around IU, one of the most storied sports teams in the states? 

[KathywithaC]

2 minutes ago, hper50 said:

How about Jake Diebler taking over for Holtmann at OSU literally last year? And the dude got the freakin' job. We obviously aren't even looking for that. Just someone to do as well as they can and reenergize the program as much as possible as we transition.

Mike Davis’ ascension was similar. Will be interesting to see how Diebler does long term.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

Ohio State last year was a great example of turning the momentum around and almost saving a season by that decision.  Unfortunately for them, he's an average coach and probably shouldn't have won the job long term.  But they ended the season on a very solid note when it was going horribly.  

[HoosierHoopster]

Checking in after walking away from following the trainwreck of a game last night.

I don't recall ever hearing a student section chant "fire" the coach - neither Archie nor Crean. Was last night the first or has that happened before. That chant was ugly stuff lol