They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Alford Bailey]

18 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

This is why I was against Dusty (more so against hiring mid-major coaches off one good year). Anything can happen in a single-elimination tournament. He had a great year last season but he’s still a big risk of a hire. We’ll see how he does at Louisville. 

Porter Moser and Wes Miller had much better resumes and have failed recently. If he didn’t have IU ties this wouldn’t even be a thing.

[jefftheref]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So, let me hit you with this scenario. Not that this is the only possible scenario, but it a likely one and therefore the one I'm curious about:

1. IU has another year with Woody and it goes "okay."
   • Fifth in the B1G, a tournament 9 seed, and a first round loss.
2. High school recruiting is still completely in the dumpster. 
3. No dream list candidate is interested. As a point of comparison, let's use this year's version of guys that aren't leaving their current jobs: Stevens, Donovan, Wright, Drew, Pearl, Otzelberger, Oats, Beard. All are proven big winners with massive contracts, massive buyouts, and/or are happy with their current situation.

Now, given that likely scenario (it's what UL and UM are looking at), what do you do?

1. Stay with Woody
2. Go get a successful mid-major coach.

 

Move Coach Moren over to the men's team. At least she has some sort of an idea how to run an effective offense and defense and recruit all 5 positions. 

[68Hoosier]

Fire Woodson .... 

 

and the guy that sings the Nation Anthem. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

12 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

So would you take Chris Collins then?

Man they could give the job to @Hornsby at this point and I’d be happy that Woodson’s gone. 

As for Collins, not really. He’s mediocre at the P5 level, which I rank below good at the mid-major level. He has some restrictions at NU that he wouldn’t have at IU, but he’s had too many just really bad seasons for me. At least the mid-major guy is unknown at the P5 level and could see their success carry over. 

With that said, if my options were Woodson and Collins, I’m taking Collins every time. 

[kottke]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So, let me hit you with this scenario. Not that this is the only possible scenario, but it a likely one and therefore the one I'm curious about:

1. IU has another year with Woody and it goes "okay."
   • Fifth in the B1G, a tournament 9 seed, and a first round loss.
2. High school recruiting is still completely in the dumpster. 
3. No dream list candidate is interested. As a point of comparison, let's use this year's version of guys that aren't leaving their current jobs: Stevens, Donovan, Wright, Drew, Pearl, Otzelberger, Oats, and Beard (a non-starter proposition). All are proven big winners with massive contracts, massive buyouts, and/or are happy with their current situation. And Collins doesn't really want to leave either, and if he did Boo Buie and Langborn ain't coming with.

Now, given that likely scenario (it's what UL and UM are looking at), what do you do?

1. Stay with Woody
2. Go get a successful mid-major coach.

 

I’d still be interested in resetting with a successful mid major if that was the only alternative to Woodson. Gotta keep swinging if you want to hit a home run.

[Stuhoo]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So, let me hit you with this scenario. Not that this is the only possible scenario, but it a likely one and therefore the one I'm curious about:

1. IU has another year with Woody and it goes "okay."
   • Fifth in the B1G, a tournament 9 seed, and a first round loss.
2. High school recruiting is still completely in the dumpster. 
3. No dream list candidate is interested. As a point of comparison, let's use this year's version of guys that aren't leaving their current jobs: Stevens, Donovan, Wright, Drew, Pearl, Otzelberger, Oats, and Beard (a non-starter proposition). All are proven big winners with massive contracts, massive buyouts, and/or are happy with their current situation. And Collins doesn't really want to leave either, and if he did Boo Buie and Langborn ain't coming with.

Now, given that likely scenario (it's what UL and UM are looking at), what do you do?

1. Stay with Woody
2. Go get a successful mid-major coach.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Man they could give the job to @Hornsby at this point and I’d be happy that Woodson’s gone. 

As for Collins, not really. He’s mediocre at the P5 level, which I rank below good at the mid-major level. He has some restrictions at NU that he wouldn’t have at IU, but he’s had too many just really bad seasons for me. At least the mid-major guy is unknown at the P5 level and could see their success carry over. 

With that said, if my options were Woodson and Collins, I’m taking Collins every time. 

You realize that to get Collins away from Northwestern we would have to pay him about $5 million a year for seven years, with a very hefty buyout, right?

And you're good with that being the end of our rainbow for the next seven years?

[JF87]

24 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So, let me hit you with this scenario. Not that this is the only possible scenario, but it a likely one and therefore the one I'm curious about:

1. IU has another year with Woody and it goes "okay."
   • Fifth in the B1G, a tournament 9 seed, and a first round loss.
2. High school recruiting is still completely in the dumpster. 
3. No dream list candidate is interested. As a point of comparison, let's use this year's version of guys that aren't leaving their current jobs: Stevens, Donovan, Wright, Drew, Pearl, Otzelberger, Oats, and Beard (a non-starter proposition). All are proven big winners with massive contracts, massive buyouts, and/or are happy with their current situation. And Collins doesn't really want to leave either, and if he did Boo Buie and Langborn ain't coming with.

Now, given that likely scenario (it's what UL and UM are looking at), what do you do?

1. Stay with Woody
2. Go get a successful mid-major coach.

 

We know Woody isn't the answer.  Give me #2, the successful mid-major coach.  At least there's a chance you win the lottery with number 2. 

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, JF87 said:

We know Woody isn't the answer.  Give me #2, the successful mid-major coach.  At least there's a chance you win the lottery with number 2. 

Agree and feel the same. My question was for @Hoosierfan2017, who doesn't want someone like May but also wants Woody gone no matter what. 

I'm wondering who is realistic and worth a seven year contract in his view.

[johnsoniu]

35 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

At the earliest Monday I was told. Mon-Wed

So the remainder of Kentucky that didn’t burn last night finds out their new coach is a mid major that just got bounced by Northwestern. Excellent 

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, johnsoniu said:

So the remainder of Kentucky that didn’t burn last night finds out their new coach is a mid major that just got bounced by Northwestern. Excellent 

https://247sports.com/college/louisville/board/103990/Contents/well-i-wanted-may-229118445/?page=1

[JF87]

2 minutes ago, johnsoniu said:

So the remainder of Kentucky that didn’t burn last night finds out their new coach is a mid major that just got bounced by Northwestern. Excellent 

At least Louisville is getting a new coach.  We're stuck with Mediocre Mike.  I'd take Dusty over Woodson easily. 

[theriverpilot]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

https://247sports.com/college/louisville/board/103990/Contents/well-i-wanted-may-229118445/?page=1

This just made me jealous that UL is actually searching for its new HC while IU still wallows :-(

[johnsoniu]

2 minutes ago, JF87 said:

At least Louisville is getting a new coach.  We're stuck with Mediocre Mike.  I'd take Dusty over Woodson easily. 

As would I. But there are sizable portions of both fan bases that think May is beneath them. 

[Alford Bailey]

5 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

This just made me jealous that UL is actually searching for its new HC while IU still wallows :-(

Payne won 12 games in 2 seasons. Woodson has 63 wins in 3 seasons. These are not close to the same circumstances.

[Shooter]

37 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Porter Moser and Wes Miller had much better resumes and have failed recently. If he didn’t have IU ties this wouldn’t even be a thing.

What? Porter Moser had ten consecutive losing conference seasons over his tenures at Illinois St and Loyola Chicago. Got fired from Illinois St. He's been to the NCAA tourney twice in about 20 years as a head coach.

May has had one job, and he's killed it there. No he's not a sure thing. But his resume is way clear of Moser. He's going to get a big job, whether it's IU or elsewhere.

[IUHoosierJoe]

45 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Porter Moser and Wes Miller had much better resumes and have failed recently. If he didn’t have IU ties this wouldn’t even be a thing.

Louisville is hiring him only because he has IU ties?  Interesting.

[go iu bb]

I guess May is another coach who can't beat Northwestern. Don't hire him, hire whoever knocks them out of the tournament.

 

[Chris007]

28 minutes ago, johnsoniu said:

So the remainder of Kentucky that didn’t burn last night finds out their new coach is a mid major that just got bounced by Northwestern. Excellent 

It was an 8-9 matchup. It was going to be a close game. 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

So would you take Chris Collins then?

I would strongly consider it -- worth a sit down.  He'd need to check the "adaptability" boxes for me.  But given what he has done at NW is pretty interesting -- things they have NEVER done, EVER.  Don't under estimate the roster restrictions he's under, plus now the transfer issues.  He would have neither at IU.  Sure he doesn't have the track record of a Pearl.  He's kind of the in between of the mid-major flavor of the year and the zero risk successful P5 coach (who I don't think we can get).  I am not sure he would leave though -- it's home and they are treating him well.  

[Golfman25]

8 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I guess May is another coach who can't beat Northwestern. Don't hire him, hire whoever knocks them out of the tournament.

 

Hurley?  :)