They Fired Walt Bell

[Hovadipo]

6 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

He isn't a defensive coach.

Good point. Hadn’t thought of that. 

[maharkn]

I got bad info.  So IU football of me

Yeah that was my bad. Got the coach right but the line wrong

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[Demo]

Kind of curious phrasing. Not sure it’s actually indicative of anything because that should be an HC conversation. But it always felt to me like Bell wanted Sorsby and CTA made the call for Jackson. And I’m probably in the minority here, but every time I watch those guys, my strictly fan-level eval is that Sorsby’s just flat better. Better feet. Quicker release. More accurate in short areas. More decisive. 

[Hovadipo]

17 minutes ago, Demo said:

Kind of curious phrasing. Not sure it’s actually indicative of anything because that should be an HC conversation. But it always felt to me like Bell wanted Sorsby and CTA made the call for Jackson. And I’m probably in the minority here, but every time I watch those guys, my strictly fan-level eval is that Sorsby’s just flat better. Better feet. Quicker release. More accurate in short areas. More decisive. 

I don’t think those two saw eye to eye at any point about anything since he was hired. They contradicted each other in press conferences all the time and it got really bad this year. 

Rooted for him and hoped for the best as I always do, but it was just a weird hire. 

[Stuhoo]

4 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

I don’t think those two saw eye to eye at any point about anything since he was hired. They contradicted each other in press conferences all the time and it got really bad this year. 

Rooted for him and hoped for the best as I always do, but it was just a weird hire. 

When I hire a former head supervisor for a subordinate role, I’m always extremely cautious.

It takes a certain personality to have been the #1 boss and revert to being a total team player when you don’t always agree with the boss’s decisions.

It helps when the boss gets and gives complete input and discusses the ‘why’ behind the decisions, but even with that some subordinates/former bosses can’t accept the new role.

[Brass Cannon]

59 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

When I hire a former head supervisor for a subordinate role, I’m always extremely cautious.

It takes a certain personality to have been the #1 boss and revert to being a total team player when you don’t always agree with the boss’s decisions.

It helps when the boss gets complete input and discusses the ‘why’ behind the decisions, but even with that some subordinates/former bosses can’t accept the new role.

This. So much.   a peer was hired a few years ago who had been in an elevated role at a previous company. Guy is still with us but he’s condescending and secretive.  Constantly makes mistakes and never takes accountability.  He probably was a crappy boss and his old job but who knows. He’s grade A terrible at my job. If he ever gets promoted i will be looking elsewhere 

[DireBump]

2 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

I read a story last year claiming "inside knowledge" of the program. I think it was by Tom Brew, who's kind of a doofus, but has been around a long time -- so you can take it for what it's worth. 

Regardless, his story claimed the players were pretty much 100% behind Tuttle as QB last year, but Bell was insistent on starting Bazelak -- and that created tension among the ranks. To me -- neither seemed worth a crap, though Tuttle seemed to be injured a good bit of the time he was at IU. 

 

Talked to a player on the team last year and he said Tuttle out performed Bazelak in preseason and had the support of the team; however, Bazelak was promised the starting job as a way to get him to transfer to IU. Tuttle found out and went off on the coaches, which is why he put his name in the transfer portal so early in the year. Even with his name in the portal he stayed around the team and even played because he cared a lot for the team, but his relationship with the coaches after the whole situation was unrepairable. 

I spoke to this player again after week 1 this year and he said Sorsby is better than Jackson (outperformed him in practice), but Jackson will probably be the starter because he was a highly rated recruit and is from Indiana. Said Sorsby has more connection with the players and is more involved with the team as a leader.

Sad to see the same situation playing out two years in a row. 

[Napleshoosier]

At least they did something!  And I stress something cuz this has been a cluster ….!

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

36 minutes ago, DireBump said:

Talked to a player on the team last year and he said Tuttle out performed Bazelak in preseason and had the support of the team; however, Bazelak was promised the starting job as a way to get him to transfer to IU. Tuttle found out and went off on the coaches, which is why he put his name in the transfer portal so early in the year. Even with his name in the portal he stayed around the team and even played because he cared a lot for the team, but his relationship with the coaches after the whole situation was unrepairable. 

I spoke to this player again after week 1 this year and he said Sorsby is better than Jackson (outperformed him in practice), but Jackson will probably be the starter because he was a highly rated recruit and is from Indiana. Said Sorsby has more connection with the players and is more involved with the team as a leader.

Sad to see the same situation playing out two years in a row. 

Appreciate your post and welcome to btb.  

[TheWatShot]

So Allen has now fired two OC's that he hired, plus an offensive line coach, any others I'm forgetting? If a coach has to fire this many assistants he hired, then the assistants aren't the problem. 

[Hovadipo]

50 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

So Allen has now fired two OC's that he hired, plus an offensive line coach, any others I'm forgetting? If a coach has to fire this many assistants he hired, then the assistants aren't the problem. 

He “retired” Debord. 

[Alford Bailey]

2 hours ago, DireBump said:

Talked to a player on the team last year and he said Tuttle out performed Bazelak in preseason and had the support of the team; however, Bazelak was promised the starting job as a way to get him to transfer to IU. Tuttle found out and went off on the coaches, which is why he put his name in the transfer portal so early in the year. Even with his name in the portal he stayed around the team and even played because he cared a lot for the team, but his relationship with the coaches after the whole situation was unrepairable. 

I spoke to this player again after week 1 this year and he said Sorsby is better than Jackson (outperformed him in practice), but Jackson will probably be the starter because he was a highly rated recruit and is from Indiana. Said Sorsby has more connection with the players and is more involved with the team as a leader.

Sad to see the same situation playing out two years in a row. 

 Not surprised at all if true. My personal opinion is Sorsby is better but the job was promised to Jackson.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

This. So much.   a peer was hired a few years ago who had been in an elevated role at a previous company. Guy is still with us but he’s condescending and secretive.  Constantly makes mistakes and never takes accountability.  He probably was a crappy boss and his old job but who knows. He’s grade A terrible at my job. If he ever gets promoted i will be looking elsewhere 

Oddly enough, and depending where you work, some people get promoted because they suck at their jobs and they don't want that person doing that job. Why not fire that person? Couldn't tell ya.

[RaceToTheTop]

As a Quality Control guy, shouldn't Carey have fired both Allen and Bell?

[Joe_hoopsier]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Oddly enough, and depending where you work, some people get promoted because they suck at their jobs and they don't want that person doing that job. Why not fire that person? Couldn't tell ya.

Its the peter principle and IU is running the football program on corporate semantics instead of results over woke. It's normal for a liberal arts institution, without a single, "WIN!" leader. CTA and the admin that the LEO stuff totally in a guaranteed equality emotional stance, instead of requiring success driven true equality.   

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

I'll be a ******* son of a *****. 

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

As a Quality Control guy, shouldn't Carey have fired both Allen and Bell?

Bell was cheaper, and therefore expendable.  I doubt they'll swallow the buyout option until next season when it becomes economical. 

[DChoosier]

18 minutes ago, Joe_hoopsier said:

Its the peter principle and IU is running the football program on corporate semantics instead of results over woke. It's normal for a liberal arts institution, without a single, "WIN!" leader. CTA and the admin that the LEO stuff totally in a guaranteed equality emotional stance, instead of requiring success driven true equality.   

I ran this through google translate but still don’t quite understand your point (s).

[JSHoosier]

2 hours ago, Joe_hoopsier said:

Its the peter principle and IU is running the football program on corporate semantics instead of results over woke. It's normal for a liberal arts institution, without a single, "WIN!" leader. CTA and the admin that the LEO stuff totally in a guaranteed equality emotional stance, instead of requiring success driven true equality.   

It's financially infeasible to fire Allen right now because his agent took Dolson behind the woodshed and now we're stuck with a huge buyout.  Sure though, just throw out culture war buzzwords.

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

8 hours ago, Joe_hoopsier said:

Its the peter principle and IU is running the football program on corporate semantics instead of results over woke. It's normal for a liberal arts institution, without a single, "WIN!" leader. CTA and the admin that the LEO stuff totally in a guaranteed equality emotional stance, instead of requiring success driven true equality.   

Dude, I'm "woke" AF, and I was one of the first dudes who grabbed a torch and pitchfork at the hiring of Tom Allen back at the beginning.  When you never had success, I'd rather have an ******* who delivers results than a nice guy shouting buzzwords (especially one who, based on what I've seen in conjecture, probably isn't as nice as he seems) because Bill Lynch drove me to the brink of insanity.