They Fired Tom Allen!

[LIHoosier]

Yikes

 

[Alford Bailey]

Allen is as bad as any HC we’ve had since Mallory. He just somehow won the lottery on assistants for a couple years.

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

Allen is as bad as any HC we’ve had since Mallory. He just somehow won the lottery on assistants for a couple years.

The program was in a pretty good place (for IU) when he took it over. It’s in a much worse place now. That says a lot about how good of a coach he is, imo… 

[LamarCheeks]

I know someone referenced the Indy Star article about CTA's contract a while back in this thread. But I didn't know if it had exact numbers, so I looked it up. According to an Osterman piece from last fall, this is the breakdown: 

Fired after 2023 season: owed $20.8M
Fired after 2024: owed $7.95M
Fired after 2025: owed $5.4M

So, the reality is, he's got two years to get this thing going again. The rest of this season and next -- because I don't see anybody ponying up nearly $21M to fire a football coach. I'm not even sure I can see us forking over $8M, but if this and next season are as ragged as the past two, I don't see how Dolson would be able to avoid making a move at that point. 

[AKHoosier]

10 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The program was in a pretty good place (for IU) when he took it over. It’s in a much worse place now. That says a lot about how good of a coach he is, imo… 

That's the sad part. We were making good progress under Kevin Wilson. Appearing in a bowl game in consecutive years was a big step forward as a program. There was more of an "on the upswing" type energy around IUFB too.

On the recruiting trail, we were beating Power 5 teams like Minnesota, Louisville, and Wisconsin for players, rather than MAC teams like when Lynch was here. 

All of that progress on the field has been lost, and it's all because of the man in charge. Allen is able to land some good talent still, but they're not reaching their potential.

[Lebowski]

On 9/24/2023 at 1:03 AM, Aguas said:

For the love of all that is HOLY fire Tom Allen. Akron in 4 overtime’s is not a win. And Lebowski, stop. Just stop. He is horrible. Yes, he is better than any coach IU has ever had but he is monumentally horrible nonetheless. Expect more and perhaps you will get more. Fire Tom Allen. Pay real money for a real coach and staff and perhaps have a competitive team. BIG is gonna be brutal…BRUTAL!

Where have I said he shouldn't get pooped canned? Actually quite the contrary, but whatever. I'm just pointing out the reality of IUFB. Everyone is talking like we can get a coach like Saban, or whoever you desire, to come in here if we just throw money at him. That's not going to happen, ever. Or if it does, my remains will have already been scattered to the bosom of the pacific ocean here on Earth 1. I will gladly eat a large plate of crow if I'm wrong about hiring a 'real coach and staff' as you put it. But historically, that ain't happening. 

Allen is the type of coach that had it worked out, he doesn't get poached because we doesn't want to go anywhere. His stats are the best we've had in over 20 years!  Those are, unfortunately, the facts. 

Being realistic about the state of things sometime just effin' sucks. Sorry to speak truth about IUFB. But someone needs to do it on here because this Earth 2 talk is not what's going on here on Earth 1. 

Aguas, same question I already asked, if, and it's a big if, this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; still want him gone? Follow up questions, if you still think he should go, what are your expectations for IUFB? Keep in mind these questions are here on Earth 1, not Earth 2. Realistic IUFB expectations. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

7 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Where have I said he shouldn't get pooped canned? Actually quite the contrary, but whatever. I'm just pointing out the reality of IUFB. Everyone is talking like we can get a coach like Saban, or whoever you desire, to come in here if we just throw money at him. That's not going to happen, ever. Or if it does, my remains will have already been scattered to the bosom of the pacific ocean here on Earth 1. I will gladly eat a large plate of crow if I'm wrong about hiring a 'real coach and staff' as you put it. But historically, that ain't happening. 

Allen is the type of coach that had it worked out, he doesn't get poached because we doesn't want to go anywhere. His stats are the best we've had in over 20 years!  Those are, unfortunately, the facts. 

Being realistic about the state of things sometime just effin' sucks. Sorry to speak truth about IUFB. But someone needs to do it on here because this Earth 2 talk is not what's going on here on Earth 1. 

Aguas, same question I already asked, if, and it's a big if, this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; still want him gone? Follow up questions, if you still think he should go, what are your expectations for IUFB? Keep in mind these questions are here on Earth 1, not Earth 2. Realistic IUFB expectations. 

Yes, he still needs fired. The entire staff needs fired. It is beyond clear, they are too stupid to actually make corrections.

[LIHoosier]

11 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

I know someone referenced the Indy Star article about CTA's contract a while back in this thread. But I didn't know if it had exact numbers, so I looked it up. According to an Osterman piece from last fall, this is the breakdown: 

Fired after 2023 season: owed $20.8M
Fired after 2024: owed $7.95M
Fired after 2025: owed $5.4M

So, the reality is, he's got two years to get this thing going again. The rest of this season and next -- because I don't see anybody ponying up nearly $21M to fire a football coach. I'm not even sure I can see us forking over $8M, but if this and next season are as ragged as the past two, I don't see how Dolson would be able to avoid making a move at that point. 

That money can get offset by where he gets work next, but at best it'll be as a DC at a bad Power 5 team or as a HC for the even more bottom of the barrel at a mil per year tops.

btw, CTA cracked the top 10!...of the Coaches Hot Seat rankings.

[Hoosier987]

The "we can't get a good coach" is an excuse. We can. Both Terry Hoeppner and Kevin Wilson were turning around this program. CTA can thank some of his success to the players CKW was able to recruit. 

[JSHoosier]

I hate the "he wouldn't go anywhere" argument.  I'd rather try to keep or replace a coach that showed you can have success instead of being in the position we're in where he won't go anywhere because no one else wants him.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

4 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

I hate the "he wouldn't go anywhere" argument.  I'd rather try to keep or replace a coach that showed you can have success instead of being in the position we're in where he won't go anywhere because no one else wants him.

No one wanted him before we gave him the money, no one wants him now.

[IU_FanClub]

Is there any possible way he gets fired this year? Feels like one of those situations where we are going to have a dead man walking as our coach going into next season due to the money. Everyone knows he's done here just seems like a matter of when he gets fired and how cheap we can do it for unfortunately.

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

Is there any possible way he gets fired this year? Feels like one of those situations where we are going to have a dead man walking as our coach going into next season due to the money. Everyone knows he's done here just seems like a matter of when he gets fired and how cheap we can do it for unfortunately.

Nope.

We screwed.

[kreigh8]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Nope.

We screwed.

If he really loved the university he’d resign. That would be the ultimate LEO move, wouldn’t it?

[IU_FanClub]

At this rate he is setting the program back so far (he's not alone the admin sucks when it comes to football) that whoever the next guy is will need years to get it to even a point of being healthy

[Hoosierfan2017]

38 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

If he really loved the university he’d resign. That would be the ultimate LEO move, wouldn’t it?

LEO is just a front. His true self is revealed by the way he consistently throws his staff and players under the bus to excuse his own incompetence.  And it’s obvious that the players are entirely over it at this point. 

[Gahoosierfan]

Will Dolson do the right thing?

[maharkn]

Will Dolson do the right thing?

No he will not.

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[Alford Bailey]

Recently talked to a parent of a second year player. He said the program is a joke compared to others in the conference. Practice and preparation is bad. Players know the coaching sucks, some joke about and very few are 100% bought in.

[LamarCheeks]

24 minutes ago, Gahoosierfan said:

Will Dolson do the right thing?

Dolson needs $20M to do anything.