Goodman on the Hoosier Hysterics Podcast

[southernindianahoosier2]

I just finished listening to the Hoosier Hysterics Podcast with Jeff Goodman. A few things that stood out to me:

-IU maybe could have had Brad Stevens before he went to Boston but they didn't pursue + extended Tom Crean

-IU doesn't spend the resources in order to be a top program like Duke. UNC, or Kansas

-IU didn't reach out to my top candidate Chris Beard

-IU doesn't have the same level of facilities as any other top programs

-There seems to be a general theme that IU administration has this holier than thou smugness and moral high ground to where they want to "Virtue Signal" to CBB that we run a clean program and won't touch certain coaches like Chris Beard or certain recruits

My question is, and has been for 10 years now. Is this a Coach issue, is this an Athletic Department Issue, is this a donor issue, or is this a Board of Trustees issue?

 

With the right coach - can the coach fight to build a top practice facility in the country, (even if we just spent money renovating the one we have), can a coach go after and change the department to be a national power? Can he get the UK series back? can he fix some of our scheduling issues? Or do these fall on someone else? 

----My Opinion based on some conversations with friends is that Woodson isn't the wrong guy for the job, he's just not the long term solution. so we're likely going to be in this scenario in about 5 years when Woodson is 68/69yrs old. 

[RaceToTheTop]

Just two thoughts because I really don't care what Goodman has to say:

1.  Re: the virtue signaling.  We did hire Kelvin Sampson and Crean played in the gray.

2.  "The scheduling issue"?  This year's non-conference schedule was weak.  The five years prior to that our non-conference schedule has ranked 1-9-5-6-3 in the Big 10.  The issue is that we haven't been winning enough

It might be me, but this just seems like a very strange post when IU is on the verge of a big game and end of the season that sees them finally get back to the dance.

[TheWatShot]

"maybe could have had" Brad Stevens? We offered him $10 million a year. This was reported last April. 

[southernindianahoosier2]

9 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

"maybe could have had" Brad Stevens? We offered him $10 million a year. This was reported last April. 

Goodman mentioned in the Podcast that Brad would have probably came to IU before Boston but IU didn't reach out, plus there was the Crean extension

[southernindianahoosier2]

17 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Just two thoughts because I really don't care what Goodman has to say:

1.  Re: the virtue signaling.  We did hire Kelvin Sampson and Crean played in the gray.

2.  "The scheduling issue"?  This year's non-conference schedule was weak.  The five years prior to that our non-conference schedule has ranked 1-9-5-6-3 in the Big 10.  The issue is that we haven't been winning enough

It might be me, but this just seems like a very strange post when IU is on the verge of a big game and end of the season that sees them finally get back to the dance.

1. Ya but then we fired Sampson immediately

2. Outside the ACC Challenge, what high profile teams do we play on a consistent basis? 

The podcast came out today. Was curious as to where the blame is held... is it on the coach, or the Admin?

[ziggyiu]

1 hour ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

My question is, and has been for 10 years now. Is this a Coach issue, is this an Athletic Department Issue, is this a donor issue, or is this a Board of Trustees issue?

The short answer is yes. The slightly longer answer is that the issue goes farther back than 10 years. IU could have gone with a big hire after Davis's interim year, but they made a concerted effort to put basketball in the back seat. Some high ranking admins and donors didn't like that the basketball program was the school's identity. That concern has carried over for more than 20 years now. It's a deep rooted issue, and only time will tell if the new president and new AD can/care to find the donors with a different mind set and will lean on certain admins to adjust their thinking. 

The fans, the history, the media interest -- so many external culture points are aligned for IU to be relevant on a consistent basis. The question is whether the new power brokers can/care to change the culture on the inside. 

[rcbowla]

"maybe could have had" Brad Stevens? We offered him $10 million a year. This was reported last April. 

It was only reported on message boards. Nothing official that I am aware of besides Stevens denying that kind of offer.

 

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[TheWatShot]

2 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

It was only reported on message boards. Nothing official that I am aware of

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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2021/04/18/iu-basketball-set-offer-celtics-brad-stevens-7-years-70-million-per-report/7274792002/

[rcbowla]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2021/04/18/iu-basketball-set-offer-celtics-brad-stevens-7-years-70-million-per-report/7274792002/

He denied being offered that. Guess it's whatever you want to believe. Still find it odd then that we would offer him that contract then head directly to the discount bin. Doesn't add up to me

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[LamarCheeks]

BTW, I think the whole "we could have had Brad Stevens" is not referring to this most recent hire.

I believe it's in reference to when Butler was in the midst of two straight NCAA finals. 

[Trish]

56 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Just two thoughts because I really don't care what Goodman has to say:

1.  Re: the virtue signaling.  We did hire Kelvin Sampson and Crean played in the gray.

2.  "The scheduling issue"?  This year's non-conference schedule was weak.  The five years prior to that our non-conference schedule has ranked 1-9-5-6-3 in the Big 10.  The issue is that we haven't been winning enough

It might be me, but this just seems like a very strange post when IU is on the verge of a big game and end of the season that sees them finally get back to the dance.

Our schedule is weak this year because the program had to get some wins in Woodson’s first year. It’s a hidden rule in CBB. 

[HoosierHoopster]

51 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

1. Ya but then we fired Sampson immediately

2. Outside the ACC Challenge, what high profile teams do we play on a consistent basis? 

The podcast came out today. Was curious as to where the blame is held... is it on the coach, or the Admin?

Really? IU was subject to 5 major NCAA infractions, then it fired Sampson. 

I guess you don’t consider the top B1G teams “high proflle,” along with the many top flight games IU has scheduled over the years, and UK’s Cal being scared to schedule IU and running away. Ok 

Stevens? Total crock. 

Btw, Goodman’s a tool.

Curious? Ok

yeah, strange post

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

13 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Really? IU was subject to 5 major NCAA infractions, then it fired Sampson. 

I guess you don’t consider the top B1G teams “high proflle,” along with the many top flight games IU has scheduled over the years, and UK’s Cal being scared to schedule IU and running away. Ok 

Stevens? Total crock. 

Btw, Goodman’s a tool.

Curious? Ok

yeah, strange post

Oh wow we play conference opponents? No way! Who do we play outside of that? We finally got Kansas next year. That's huge. Unfortunately the Big Ten has really screwed everyone into a ton of locked in games. And the attraction to Big Ten games on a national level.... Pretty meh. But you're not getting a ton on ESPN either. Lots and lots on BTN and FS1. 

[IU Scott]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Oh wow we play conference opponents? No way! Who do we play outside of that? We finally got Kansas next year. That's huge. Unfortunately the Big Ten has really screwed everyone into a ton of locked in games. And the attraction to Big Ten games on a national level.... Pretty meh. But you're not getting a ton on ESPN either. Lots and lots on BTN and FS1. 

Big Ten is on CBS every weekend and Fox National as well.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I’m not touching the Stevens stuff, but the administration has been holding us back without a question. It goes to the top during the McRobbie years. Athletics were zero priority for him and the highest ups. Much, much, much bigger money was being brought in with other dealings. IMO the BOT have wanted to win clean. I think that’s on them, they want to not have Knight, Sampson negative press. Crean did some dancing but he wanted to do a lot more. Archie wasn’t able to put the Sean Miller approach in action.

As far as the facilities, they are good. They are fine, they aren’t holding us back.

I thought NIL open the doors on the clean/dirty excuses but we aren’t willing to spend with the big boys. So, that part is correct again.

Lots of truths, but it goes much deeper.


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[southernindianahoosier2]

25 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Really? IU was subject to 5 major NCAA infractions, then it fired Sampson. 

I guess you don’t consider the top B1G teams “high proflle,” along with the many top flight games IU has scheduled over the years, and UK’s Cal being scared to schedule IU and running away. Ok 

Stevens? Total crock. 

Btw, Goodman’s a tool.

Curious? Ok

yeah, strange post

IU self reported… There’s been a few podcasts that detail IU wanted to fire him and not pay his buyout and IU thought that they could go out and get anyone they wanted. Ended up blowing up in their face. 
 

We need to start playing the likes of Gonzaga, Duke, UNC, Texas, Kansas, Arizona, and others if we want to be a top program. Our best/toughest game o our schedule can’t be against Purdue 
 

UK scared to play us? I believe they offered to play a neutral series and Glass kept saying no. Glass wanted home and home or bust…. I don’t care if UK wants to play on the moon, those games are so much fun. Make it happen 

you think it’s a total Crock that Stevens would have came to IU? This is before going to Boston… name your source if you firmly believe it’s a crock 

how is this a strange post? The podcast came out today, they asked one of the top CBB writers his take on IU and if Woodson was able to bring us back to where we want…. Reasons were things like facilities, admin not spending any money, this smug attitude etc… my question was can a coach fix everything, or is it on the admin to do so? 

[IU Scott]

You talking about IU wanting to de emphasize basketball, that was what UNC did when they hired Dean Smith.  I watched the series about the ACC tournament and talked about when UNC hired Smith. The previous coach McGuire got UNC on probation so there administration just wanted to try to make basketball less important.  I guess that backed fired since Smith was one of the best coaches ever.

[str8baller]

2 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

I just finished listening to the Hoosier Hysterics Podcast with Jeff Goodman. A few things that stood out to me:

-IU maybe could have had Brad Stevens before he went to Boston but they didn't pursue + extended Tom Crean

-IU doesn't spend the resources in order to be a top program like Duke. UNC, or Kansas

-IU didn't reach out to my top candidate Chris Beard

-IU doesn't have the same level of facilities as any other top programs

-There seems to be a general theme that IU administration has this holier than thou smugness and moral high ground to where they want to "Virtue Signal" to CBB that we run a clean program and won't touch certain coaches like Chris Beard or certain recruits

My question is, and has been for 10 years now. Is this a Coach issue, is this an Athletic Department Issue, is this a donor issue, or is this a Board of Trustees issue?

 

With the right coach - can the coach fight to build a top practice facility in the country, (even if we just spent money renovating the one we have), can a coach go after and change the department to be a national power? Can he get the UK series back? can he fix some of our scheduling issues? Or do these fall on someone else? 

----My Opinion based on some conversations with friends is that Woodson isn't the wrong guy for the job, he's just not the long term solution. so we're likely going to be in this scenario in about 5 years when Woodson is 68/69yrs old. 

Goodman is a moron. And all those questions have been more or less answered, or heavily hinted at a hundred times in the last decade-plus.  
 

—Stevens was out there (although “get-able” is quite speculative, imo) but Crean was winning. It was obvious to anyone with a brain he couldn’t coach, but the admin/board doesn’t fall into the category of “with a brain”…at least not to the point of jettisoning a winning Crean for an up and coming Stevens. Smart folks wanted Stevens.  
 

—I don’t know the numbers but IU seems to spend plenty on basketball. What’s Gonzaga spend? Villanova? I doubt $$ is the issue. 

—Beard was a waste of a $.25 phone call. 
 

—Facilities are overrated in CBB. Another excuse for finance alumni to make money of donors. 
 

—Coach is the driver. Admin and board hire the coach. Pick your issue. IU is out maneuvered at all levels. 
 

Davis ran the program down. Sampson even further. Crean took extra money off IU cause of Ssmpson and left the program no better. Archie wasn’t prime time. If Woody gets us to respectability for the next hire he’ll have done more than anyone since Knight.
 

Stevens ship has sailed. So has anyone coaching at a P5 currently.  Now you know more than some loser like Goodman ever will. 

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

IU self reported… There’s been a few podcasts that detail IU wanted to fire him and not pay his buyout and IU thought that they could go out and get anyone they wanted. Ended up blowing up in their face. 
 

We need to start playing the likes of Gonzaga, Duke, UNC, Texas, Kansas, Arizona, and others if we want to be a top program. Our best/toughest game o our schedule can’t be against Purdue 
 

UK scared to play us? I believe they offered to play a neutral series and Glass kept saying no. Glass wanted home and home or bust…. I don’t care if UK wants to play on the moon, those games are so much fun. Make it happen 

you think it’s a total Crock that Stevens would have came to IU? This is before going to Boston… name your source if you firmly believe it’s a crock 

how is this a strange post? The podcast came out today, they asked one of the top CBB writers his take on IU and if Woodson was able to bring us back to where we want…. Reasons were things like facilities, admin not spending any money, this smug attitude etc… my question was can a coach fix everything, or is it on the admin to do so? 

In all seriousness all of this bs has been out for a long time and Goodman is a joke. Of course IU self reported, the infractions were silly but IU isn’t UNC and that’s what IU did at the time (and frankly would now) if it discovered the coach (here, having left his former school to escape ncaa investigation) was violating ncaa rules. 
Are you really unclear on who IU has played? This is kind of odd.

Yes, it’s a total crock.

[MikeRoberts]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

In all seriousness all of this bs has been out for a long time and Goodman is a joke. Of course IU self reported, the infractions were silly but IU isn’t UNC and that’s what IU did at the time (and frankly would now) if it discovered the coach (here, having left his former school to escape ncaa investigation) was violating ncaa rules. 
Are you really unclear on who IU has played? This is kind of odd.

Yes, it’s a total crock.

Your “crock” comment was in regards to Steven’s and as almost everyone knows, his dream job was IU and he would have left Butler to come to IU had it not been for the NBA ever finally calling and that closed that door.

what is a crock and what does it have to do with Steven’s?