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[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

We’ve made four NCAA tournaments in the past 13 years and we’ve made it past the sweet 16 once in my lifetime. We’re closing in on the 20th anniversary of our last elite eight appearance. At some point it stops being the ‘current direction’ of the program and instead just becomes the program itself. I don’t see the job being much more attractive a year from now than it is right now. If we can’t get a good coach to come here this year then the program is in trouble.

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

You can try to explain but it’s not going to do anything.   People are mad and anything short of him gone isn’t going to be good enough for most the fans here.   Personally like you I think it’s pretty simple.  If Dolson feels he has a candidate lined up and he has his guy then a change will be made.   If he doesn’t have his long term guy lined up he is going to let the process play out and do what he feels is the right move.   Fans can say they won’t be back if he is back and won’t go to games if he is coach but an Athletic Director in his first year has to make the long play on what he feels is that right move.    Fans not showing up to me would be in the category of I will believe when I see it.   Dolson didn’t make this mess but he is the guy that has to clean it up.   I have no doubt he is going to make the decision that he feels will be the best for IU moving forward.   The only problem with giving him another year if he doesn’t have his guy lined up is what happens if he wins the B1G or makes a run in next year tourney?  I don’t think you could give him a full multi year extension based off 1 year compared to 4 but for recruiting purposes you would have to do something.    Glad it’s not my decision.  Either way is going to have big risks 

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’ve made four NCAA tournaments in the past 13 years and we’ve made it past the sweet 16 once in my lifetime. We’re closing in on the 20th anniversary of our last elite eight appearance. At some point it stops being the ‘current direction’ of the program and instead just becomes the program itself. I don’t see the job being much more attractive a year from now than it is right now. If we can’t get a good coach to come here this year then the program is in trouble.

Program has been in trouble.   A coach is no longer coming here to maintain excellence, a coach is being brought in to rebuild a brand and a winning program 

[MikeRoberts]

16 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

There is no reason not to replace him. There is never a guarantee that the decision being made is the right one and another year doesn’t change that.

that’s it, there are multiple coaches that if given the chance would succeed here. Keeping someone we know isn’t going to work sets us back further than most can imagine.

we’re losing the best parts of IU basketball everyday and that is the passion

[rcbowla]

Financially I get it but that's where it stops. Next year's candidates project to be the same if not worse. More opportunities will become available after the dreaded covid season. This is arguably the most opportune time to strike. **** the $. Sometimes it takes big balls to carry a big ****.

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[coonhounds]

Financially I get it but that's where it stops. Next year's candidates project to be the same if not worse. More opportunities will become available after the dreaded covid season. This is arguably the most opportune time to strike. **** the $. Sometimes it takes big balls to carry a big ****.

 

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Plus we have to wait till late April to fire him to Drop buyout! Luckily I think some of these guys are off and we definitely fire him this season

 

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[CrimsonV]

10 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

I disagree. Crean has 3 Sweet 16s and a final four. Archie had one good run in 13/14. 

Crean, after rebuilding the first three years at IU, went to the sweet 16, 3 of 6 years, and won the conference twice. Archie has yet to place top 5 in the Big10, and hasn't made the dance. 

That said, I wasn't a big fan of Crean, but he was noticeably better than Archie.

I would expect Crean to have more accolades.  He’s been coaching over twice as long. Also, Archie made a deep run in the tourney without riding the back of one of the NBAs greatest players of all time. He won the A10 his last two years being A10 coach of the year in the final.

That Syracuse loss still stings when you have one of the best teams in IU history. How’s Georgia going?  I said neither stands out because both are proving to be average coaches at this point. 

Don’t get me wrong though, what’s went on the past four years here is baffling.

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[yogisballin]

Program has been in trouble.   A coach is no longer coming here to maintain excellence, a coach is being brought in to rebuild a brand and a winning program 

And on top of all of that, they are being brought in with “be careful with discipline” type attitude. If that makes sense. All since RMK. I hope I’m wrong but I think this program is in trouble and has been for quite sometime. And we’ve all been too delusional, including myself to really see it. Might be why we haven’t been able to hit a home run with a hire?


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[hoosierpap]

8 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

There is no reason not to replace him. There is never a guarantee that the decision being made is the right one and another year doesn’t change that.

that’s it, there are multiple coaches that if given the chance would succeed here. Keeping someone we know isn’t going to work sets us back further than most can imagine.

we’re losing the best parts of IU basketball everyday and that is the passion

 

8 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’ve made four NCAA tournaments in the past 13 years and we’ve made it past the sweet 16 once in my lifetime. We’re closing in on the 20th anniversary of our last elite eight appearance. At some point it stops being the ‘current direction’ of the program and instead just becomes the program itself. I don’t see the job being much more attractive a year from now than it is right now. If we can’t get a good coach to come here this year then the program is in trouble.

You both think Archie isn't the answer and needs to go. I'm saying I get that. What you both fail to acknowledge is who you're bringing in to replace him and the realities of that move. I think this is the fork in the road where the reality and the fanatical splits.

[Trish]

8 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Absolutely not. I just find it hard to believe that right now Indiana can't find a good basketball coach who has won at the P5 level for their program. 

Well Indiana hired a mid-major guy four years ago. The landscape hasn't change, we still have the same name and history -- Indiana. What's going to make this time around any different any hire? 

[coonhounds]

Well Indiana hired a mid-major guy four years ago. The landscape hasn't change, we still have the same name and history -- Indiana. What's going to make this time around any different any hire? 

A better coach. Archie sucks flat out plain and simple.

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[Trish]

I'm not sure this has been posted but..

Tom Ostrom, our associate head-coach, lost his mother last Thursday. He flew out of Bloomington after practice on Thursday night. He was able to spend some time with her before she passed. He rented a car and drove back to Indiana the next day before the Purdue game.

Stuff like that reminds me and hopefully all of us that these coaches are human, they have feelings and experience personal struggles like us. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes everyday. 

[Trish]

2 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

A better coach. Archie sucks flat out plain and simple.

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It's not a guarantee.

We all wanted a big time coach four years ago because we're Indiana and we deserve it! Well it didn't work out like that. Glass interviewed one person and that was a mid-major coach. 

Indiana is in the dumpster fire right now. Our chances of landing a great coach seems slim. 

[Uspshoosier]

3 minutes ago, Treesh said:

It's not a guarantee.

We all wanted a big time coach four years ago because we're Indiana and we deserve it! Well it didn't work out like that. Glass interviewed one person and that was a mid-major coach. 

Indiana is in the dumpster fire right now. Our chances of landing a great coach seems slim. 

You left out the part where that mid-major coach was the hottest young coaching  name in the business at the time.  

[Trish]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

You left out the part where that mid-major coach was the hottest young coaching  name in the business at the time.  

We could say he was indeed one of the hottest names in college basketball.

But hey, so was Shaka Smart. It took him FIVE YEARS to build something at Texas!

Every coaching hire is hit or miss obviously unless you're hiring one of the Roy Williams, Coach K, etc. There's not many available names right now. There's not really a hot name in college basketball. UNC, DUKE, CUSE, KANSAS, could all be available before you know it. We failed to land a big name four years ago, I think we'll fail this year as well if we do decide to make a change.

That's why I don't think it would be the end of the world if we kept Archie one more year. Perhaps more names become intriguied with the potential of Indiana. Maybe Brad Stevens decides it's time. Maybe Billy D says the Bulls won't be good at all in the future. Who knows...

I wish I was optimistic about a hire this year but it's hard. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

26 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

 

You both think Archie isn't the answer and needs to go. I'm saying I get that. What you both fail to acknowledge is who you're bringing in to replace him and the realities of that move. I think this is the fork in the road where the reality and the fanatical splits.

Dolson might bring Archie back next year for whatever reason, but I’d be shocked if he disagreed with us and didn’t think that Archie isn’t the answer and needs to go. The results speak for themselves. We fired Crean for accomplishing way more.  
 

If he doesn’t fire him this year he’ll have to make a decision next season to either fire him or extend him. Archie will only have two years left on his contract at that point. Will the realities of replacing him be that much better this time next year to be worth putting up with another season like this one? 

[Chris007]

11 hours ago, Treesh said:

If Archie can land this kid for next year or that Auburn kid.. mhmm...

I think he is IU's if we really want him from what I've heard. Don't know if he would pull a Jimmy Chitwood and say I play coach stays. Hopefully, he doesn't care who the coach is. 

[Uspshoosier]

32 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

A better coach. Archie sucks flat out plain and simple.

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And this is where it gets tricky and having a starved fanbase that hasn’t experienced success in a long time makes it difficult.  I have no doubt Dolson could pull the trigger and bring in someone that would have more success in the short term even if it isn’t his guy.    With the lack of success it’s not going to take much to improve on what has been done here over the last 20 years.   Any glimmer of success is going to send this fan base into a frenzy and I would be afraid if it’s just another guy to replace what you got  and not the guy Dolson Really wanted there could be a case of fools gold.   Hopkins, Iowa St coach, Keats and many others are all coaches that when first hired had some success early.    If that happens here the coach is going to be crowned the savior.   Fast forward a couple years and those guys are struggling way more  now and might not be the answer some thought they were at the time.   
 

this is why Dolson is in a tough spot.  Nothing is guaranteed.  Firing him doesn’t guarantee the next coach will have success and keeping him until you find your guy doesn’t guarantee success.   IU has a 5 star fan base that has been given 3 and 2 star results by the program they are invested in.   Tough spot no matter how you view it 

[Josh]

10 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. 

Thanks for peeing in my cereal this morning pap

[HoosierFan1994]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

And this is where it gets tricky and having a starved fanbase that hasn’t experienced success in a long time makes it difficult.  I have no doubt Dolson could pull the trigger and bring in someone that would have more success in the short term even if it isn’t his guy.    With the lack of success it’s not going to take much to improve on what has been done here over the last 20 years.   Any glimmer of success is going to send this fan base into a frenzy and I would be afraid if it’s just another guy to replace what you got  and not the guy Dolson Really wanted there could be a case of fools gold.   Hopkins, Iowa St coach, Keats and many others are all coaches that when first hired had some success early.    If that happens here the coach is going to be crowned the savior.   Fast forward a couple years and those guys are struggling way more  now and might not be the answer some thought they were at the time.   
 

this is why Dolson is in a tough spot.  Nothing is guaranteed.  Firing him doesn’t guarantee the next  coach will have success and keeping him until you find your guy doesn’t guarantee success.   IU has a 5 star fan base that has been given 3 and 2 star results by the program they are invested in.   Tough spot no matter how you view it 

This is well said! I just think if you know your coach isn't the guy, you move on. It's Scott Dolson's job to find the right guy. Even Brad Stevens isn't a sure thing! Nobody is. But that doesn't mean this program should keep Archie. 

I'm also curious...was Archie really the only person this university interviewed in 2017? That is pathetic if so.