General Coach Candidate News

[IndyResident16]

1 minute ago, hper50 said:

Did it? Collier coached at Nebraska for 6 years in between his Butler HC and Admin stint. Plus those guys are/were actual ADs as opposed to advisors. Actually wanted/needed the career where Woody can fade into retirement 

I’d hire Woody to the same BS position Dolson gave Matta. 

[hper50]

20 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I’d hire Woody to the same BS position Dolson gave Matta. 

For sure. I’m just saying I don’t think Woody would have any interest in sticking around for that sort of thing 

[HoosierTrav]

4 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

He promoted Walsh so I think he would stay in house.  Who’s next in line?  Jordy?

Walsh is a probably our best recruiter. 

[Stuhoo]

23 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I know you're a Rocco guy, but are you personally feeling the same as him here? Can they afford to drop one to anyone but Drake or Bradley?

 

12 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yeah I’m not on the same page as him just yet.   They could lose  at Southern Illinois and I think they could still get an at-large as long as they win home games against Drake and Bradley.    Southern is a Q2 game on the road as of now.    For me ISU has to win the homes games against Drake and Bradley and take no more then 1 loss to the remaining Q3 and Q4 games.  Problem is the got 9 of those left and only 3 Q2 games.    You going to the Drake game?   I’m thinking of going 

I'm quoting your bracketology posts here with a question for two guys who are relatively keen watchers of these programs:

If you had to assess which guy is most ready to make the jump and potentially succeed for 20 years at an extremely beloved P5 program, who would you choose between

• Darian DeVries and
• Josh Schertz 

Feel free to add to your assessment

• DMay
• None of the above

If you're willing to bite on this one, I'd much appreciate not just the 'who,' but also the 'why.'

[Rico]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I'm quoting your bracketology posts here with a question for two guys who are relatively keen watchers of these programs:

If you had to assess which guy is most ready to make the jump and potentially succeed for 20 years at an extremely beloved P5 program, who would you choose between

• Darian DeVries and
• Josh Schertz 

Feel free to add to your assessment

• DMay
• None of the above

If you're willing to bite on this one, I'd much appreciate not just the 'who,' but also the 'why.'

DeVries.  138 wins so far and counting in his 6th year with Drake.  Ties to McDermott.  

 

 

[Uspshoosier]

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I'm quoting your bracketology posts here with a question for two guys who are relatively keen watchers of these programs:

If you had to assess which guy is most ready to make the jump and potentially succeed for 20 years at an extremely beloved P5 program, who would you choose between

• Darian DeVries and
• Josh Schertz 

Feel free to add to your assessment

• DMay
• None of the above

If you're willing to bite on this one, I'd much appreciate not just the 'who,' but also the 'why.'

If I had to pick one of the 2 at this moment it would be DeVries.  Both are around 48 but DeVries has spent more time in the D1 ranks.   He was an assistant at Creighton before he took over at Drake 6 years ago.  He was an assistant under Mcdurmott and might have been there when Altman was there.   2 good coaches to be under and has done a tremendous job with Drake in the Valley.   For Midwest power 5 teams  he should be at the top of teams lists.   Schertz might be higher risk but a higher reward if a team pulled the trigger on hiring him.    This year is only his 3rd year coaching D1.  However in the D2 ranks he was a winner.  I never heard of him before Indiana st hired him so after they did I researched him.  For a program like indiana st to succeed they have to go outside the box to get coaches to come to Terre Haute.   ISU is probably one of the hardest coaching jobs in the country and definitely in the Valley.  So it made sense for them to take a chance on a stud D2 coach.   It is paying off for them big time.  It is a bigger risk for a power 5 team to take a chance on him.   If I’m DePaul I target him next year.  They have been so bad for so long they can take a chance on a coach with less D1 experience.   I will talk about May later in the day when I get a chance 

[Hovadipo]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I'm quoting your bracketology posts here with a question for two guys who are relatively keen watchers of these programs:

If you had to assess which guy is most ready to make the jump and potentially succeed for 20 years at an extremely beloved P5 program, who would you choose between

• Darian DeVries and
• Josh Schertz

My immediate answer without thinking too hard was DeVries. He's been at the D1 level a lot longer, worked under two very good head coaches (Altman and McDermott) for over 15 years at Creighton, has some NCAA tournament experience, and a really solid record at a school that wasn't exactly a March Madness regular before he got there (he has 2 of their 6 all-time appearances in 5 years). I admittedly know very little about his demeanor off the court and how he'd handle everything that comes with leading a certain beloved P5 program. With his son being out of Drake soon, I'd be looking for him to make a move up though, especially if he makes the tournament again this year.

Then I thought about it a little more and in the past few years I've really started to buy into the "HIRE WINNERS" mantra and...Josh Schertz has a winning % approaching 80 in 15 years as a head coach, is the same age as DeVries with more experience being in charge of a program, and has folks that are way basketball-smarter than I salivating over what he's doing offensively. I've said this to you guys on the mod board, someone is going to hire this guy and he's going to make them very happy.

In fairness to my final point in the DeVries paragraph, I think Schertz reads a little too much social media based on some of his press conferences. He's made no bones about calling out fans when he thinks they're wrong and this is in Terre Haute where, I kid you not, there are about 40 people who truly, deeply care about that program. Those are probably just some edges that need smoothing out since this is his first D1 gig, but other than that he's a very personable guy and seems to enjoy the "kissing babies" part of the operation. Or, he's at least not Archie.

Am I pushing for IU to hire Schertz? Idk, I think for now I'm just answering your question, but...

Hire winners.

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

My immediate answer without thinking too hard was DeVries. He's been at the D1 level a lot longer, worked under two very good head coaches (Altman and McDermott) for over 15 years at Creighton, has some NCAA tournament experience, and a really solid record at a school that wasn't exactly a March Madness regular before he got there (he has 2 of their 6 all-time appearances in 5 years). I admittedly know very little about his demeanor off the court and how he'd handle everything that comes with leading a certain beloved P5 program. With his son being out of Drake soon, I'd be looking for him to make a move up though, especially if he makes the tournament again this year.

Then I thought about it a little more and in the past few years I've really started to buy into the "HIRE WINNERS" mantra and...Josh Schertz has a winning % approaching 80 in 15 years as a head coach, is the same age as DeVries with more experience being in charge of a program, and has folks that are way basketball-smarter than I salivating over what he's doing offensively. I've said this to you guys on the mod board, someone is going to hire this guy and he's going to make them very happy.

In fairness to my final point in the DeVries paragraph, I think Schertz reads a little too much social media based on some of his press conferences. He's made no bones about calling out fans when he thinks they're wrong and this is in Terre Haute where, I kid you not, there are about 40 people who truly, deeply care about that program. Those are probably just some edges that need smoothing out since this is his first D1 gig, but other than that he's a very personable guy and seems to enjoy the "kissing babies" part of the operation. Or, he's at least not Archie.

Am I pushing for IU to hire Schertz? Idk, I think for now I'm just answering your question, but...

Hire winners.

 

[realTomCrean]

Interestingly, Schertz graduated from FAU. Either Schertz or May - my vote is for anyone with an FAU connection to be IU's next HC

[str8baller]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Hire winners.

A lot of guys win at the lower level, though. I like it to a prize fighter climbing up the ranks. When Dusty May gets to the ACC or B1G likely every coach there will be better than the coaches in his current league, for example.  
 

So how do you sniff out the Bo Ryan’s, Brad Underwoods, Thad Mattas, etc.. from the Archie Millers of the world? I think it is as much of an art as a science. Having an AD who knows how to practice that art is key, imo. 

[Chris007]

14 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

I still don’t get the warm and fuzzies over Dusty

He better getting it going better this year because they have first round bounce written all over them. 

I have thought Kenya and Ya were going for awhile. For multiple reasons. 

funny how that worries many now when those same guys everyone hates on. Just saying. Is it a loss at all? They aren’t guys on Liam or Queen either. 

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I think the major problem for Woody right now is the 25 class. I’ve heard that 3 different families have complained about Woodson not coming to one of their kids games like other head coaches. Two of these kids should be slam dunks for IU. Maybe Woody knows he doesn’t want to do it anymore after this season. 

[Chris007]

14 hours ago, Trish said:

The only loss from this staff would be CC. Jordan Hulls is just getting started in his career. I’m sure he’s hoping Woodson improves because a new coach likely won’t keep him around. 

CC has a spot on the staff as long as he wants one. No matter the coach.

[Chris007]

One name I’d keep an eye on is Tony Bennett. Word is he’s not happy that the Virginia administration hasn’t taken to NIL like other schools. He might want to make a change. I know his family history with IU. I just know his name has been mentioned by some.

[Uspshoosier]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think the major problem for Woody right now is the 25 class. I’ve heard that 3 different families have complained about Woodson not coming to one of their kids games like other head coaches. Two of these kids should be slam dunks for IU. Maybe Woody knows he doesn’t want to do it anymore after this season. 

If they miss on the one from Southern Indiana then that would be the biggest mess up and miss by an IU staff since Crean missed on Guy which should of been a slam dunk by IU 

[Hoosier987]

13 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think the major problem for Woody right now is the 25 class. I’ve heard that 3 different families have complained about Woodson not coming to one of their kids games like other head coaches. Two of these kids should be slam dunks for IU. Maybe Woody knows he doesn’t want to do it anymore after this season. 

Interesting point. It would be one thing if these were out of state guys (that's for Rosemond and Hunter)...but these are in State. 

[Hovadipo]

19 minutes ago, str8baller said:

A lot of guys win at the lower level, though. I like it to a prize fighter climbing up the ranks. When Dusty May gets to the ACC or B1G likely every coach there will be better than the coaches in his current league, for example.  
 

So how do you sniff out the Bo Ryan’s, Brad Underwoods, Thad Mattas, etc.. from the Archie Millers of the world? I think it is as much of an art as a science. Having an AD who knows how to practice that art is key, imo. 

Totally agree. I guess my point there was: don't write off Schertz because he's mostly been a D2/mid-major guy. If a guy is a slam dunk hire according to your basketball criteria as an athletic director/department, hire him.

Of course it is MUCH more nuanced than that, especially at a place like IU.

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

If they miss on the one from Southern Indiana then that would be the biggest mess up and miss by an IU staff since Crean missed on Guy which should of been a slam dunk by IU 

Agreed. They are an IU family, but not sure their fans of our style of basketball.

[cybergates]

Drew is 53 and May is 47. 

Make Drew say no at least 3x before you go anywhere else. 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

One name I’d keep an eye on is Tony Bennett. Word is he’s not happy that the Virginia administration hasn’t taken to NIL like other schools. He might want to make a change. I know his family history with IU. I just know his name has been mentioned by some.

What other names are being mentioned?

[AKHoosier]

Tony Bennett? Sure. Can't turn down a guy who has won a title, not to mention a ton of games in the ACC.

Can we tolerate an offense scoring 22 points by halftime though? Idk. Also, he's very sink or swim. Been upset by quite a few lower seeded teams, but then again who hasn't. 

Just get a college coach. DeVries checks a lot of boxes too.