lillurk Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 Plenty of space left on the Muss bus, we expect to add some riders tonight BGleas, FightFor6, Hippopotamo and 3 others 5 1
str8baller Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Magisterium said: Titus made an interesting point: in the Sweet 16 there are (now were) 7 teams in KenPom's top 25 defenses and 11 in KenPom's top 25 offenses--and that doesn't include Alabama, which is somehow outside the top 25 offenses statistically speaking possible moral: much like college football, college basketball is currently in something of an "offense > defense" era Historically, you have to be about top 30 in both to win a title. The game is played at both ends of the floor. You can’t really be one or the other. HoosierHoopster, Hippopotamo and DChoosier 3
Eagle’s Rug Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said: Best Goodman Sweet 16 caption... Go! This is McSquizzy's Turf!
HoosierFan1994 Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said: Best Goodman Sweet 16 caption... Go! He wishes his pal “Arch” was there to share that popcorn with him. MemphisHoosier 1
Demo Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said: Sure, if this was Drew’s second tournament appearance in 17 years as a head coach. But it’s not. Drew turned a football school with no basketball history into a great P5 program. Loyola Chicago had more tournament appearances when Moser took over than Baylor did when Drew took over. The sole reason why Moser was ever even mentioned as a head coach was his two tournament appearances. When that’s all you have on your resume to point to, a bad loss like the one Moser just had is going to get more a lot more attention. See, and it’s not like you and I didn’t already know this, but if 1 half of basketball would ever under any circumstances matter to you in judging a guy, then you and I are probably never gonna get to the same place. Which, if nothing else, makes the conversation interesting.
go iu bb Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Magisterium said: but that doesn't really explain Dolson's allusion to a 2nd donor who was willing to help with "transition costs" unless SD had reason to think he'd probably be dealing with a 2nd buyout attached to whatever new coach he'd be likely to hire--if it was just "get Archie gone at all costs" then I'd think the one donor would've been enough Buyouts for college coaches are very common so the chances of having to pay one for the incoming coach is very high. About the only way he wouldn't expect to pay one is if they hired someone out of work or an assistant. I'm not sure if NBA coaches have buyouts to terminate their contract early but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.
Magisterium Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, str8baller said: Historically, you have to be about top 30 in both to win a title. The game is played at both ends of the floor. You can’t really be one or the other. not one OR the other, one MORE THAN the other--which in today's game, would appear more often than not to be offense
Hoosierfan2017 Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Demo said: See, and it’s not like you and I didn’t already know this, but if 1 half of basketball would ever under any circumstances matter to you in judging a guy, then you and I are probably never gonna get to the same place. Which, if nothing else, makes the conversation interesting. What are we supposed to use to judge Moser as a head coach? Sure, I agree that it’s unfair to judge him off one game. But then I’m also told that it’s unfair to judge him as a head coach off his entire 17 year career because he’s “changed” as a coach. Like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t have any interest in him if his past four years were the only four he’s ever coached. But he hasn’t just coached 4 years. He’s coached 17, and the other 13 were not good at all. Unexpectedflash, Loaded Chicken Sandwich, OKHOOSIER and 3 others 6
DChoosier Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, str8baller said: Historically, you have to be about top 30 in both to win a title. The game is played at both ends of the floor. You can’t really be one or the other. I agree 100% but even more so.........I’m sooooo tired of us not even being in the tourney or in conference contention. Please get this right Scott D. Hippopotamo and lillurk 2
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said: What are we supposed to use to judge Moser as a head coach? Sure, I agree that it’s unfair to judge him off one game. But then I’m also told that it’s unfair to judge him as a head coach off his entire 17 year career because he’s “changed” as a coach. Like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t have any interest in him if his past four years were the only four he’s ever coached. But he hasn’t just coached 4 years. He’s coached 17, and the other 13 were not good at all. Loyola and Villanova kinda have the same luck. Loyola has finally taken advantage of Creighton and Wichita State leaving the conference. Villanova was a middle of the road Big East team and then Louisville, Cuse, Pitt etc left and Villanova is winning the Big East basically every year.
IU Scott Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: Loyola and Villanova kinda have the same luck. Loyola has finally taken advantage of Creighton and Wichita State leaving the conference. Villanova was a middle of the road Big East team and then Louisville, Cuse, Pitt etc left and Villanova is winning the Big East basically every year. So are you saying if MSU, UM and UI leave the big ten we might have a chance LOL! OKHOOSIER, DChoosier, NVFalcons1990 and 1 other 3 1
CSP Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, IU Scott said: In college basketball it is horrible Absolutely absurd IU Scott 1
Uspshoosier Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: Loyola and Villanova kinda have the same luck. Loyola has finally taken advantage of Creighton and Wichita State leaving the conference. Villanova was a middle of the road Big East team and then Louisville, Cuse, Pitt etc left and Villanova is winning the Big East basically every year. I would definitely say Loyola took advantage of Creighton leaving the MVC because they replaced them. Loyola only had the opportunity to play Wichita St for a couple of years before they left. If anything the MVC has benefitted from Loyola joining the conference.
IU Scott Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: Absolutely absurd You must be watching a different college basketball than I am watching. Just look at the shooting percentages to day compared to what it us to be when the college game was at its best.
str8baller Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Magisterium said: not one OR the other, one MORE THAN the other--which in today's game, would appear more often than not to be offense Good coaches don’t coach like that. Either you can coach both or you can’t. Whether you’re offense more than defense or vice versa will be dictated by personnel.
Mr. Hoosier Pride Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 How could we convince Jay Wright to move to Bloomington? Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk cybergates 1
Uspshoosier Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 Enough with the shooting in college basketball is awful. Back to coaching. If you want to discuss that then start a different thread NVFalcons1990, IU Scott, woodenshoemanHoosierfan and 4 others 6 1
Magisterium Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said: Finally got caught up here, and wow did the thread take an interesting turn. I will never understand why a portion of the fan base is so incredibly obsessed with being squeaky clean. There is no such thing in college athletics. Whether it is softer admission standards to out right bag dropping, it is pervasive and everywhere. IU (Brand) caused our own cratering by following this misguided attachment to doing the right thing. We tell the NCAA to kick rocks, lawyer up and say nothing, and the program is never decimated because of KS making a couple too many phone calls. UNC is a perfect example, they clam shelled, told the NCAA to pound sand and low and behold they are still a premier program, for something far more egregious. Anyone who says they would have traded the potential success KS would have had here for the first three Crean years, and really all the years since "to do the right thing" is either lying, or living in a fantasy world that ignores what the NCAA is/cares about-- profit. Also, if you really want to believe that in 30 years of coaching RMK committed no violations beyond being verbally and physically abusive to players, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell. Can you imagine Ralph Floyd going to RMK at the height of his power and saying "Coach we have to self report a violation you committed."? He would have been shouted out of the building and had his life threatened. Or maybe I have no morals and care too much about winning, but all this hand wringing about potential hires' pasts just rings hollow to me. again, what the fanbase feels has little if anything to do with it--it's what Dolson and the BOT feel about Drew and his history. Personally, having lived through everything from the "Dickens omni-probation" in the 1960s through the Knight tenure, Sampson debacle, Crean schizophrenia, and Miller detour, I simply don't have enough ethical outrage left to 1) object strenuously to a potential Drew hire or 2) object strenuously if Dolson rules out a Drew hire. I'll just roll with it either way. Same w/ any potential hire of one of the "IU guys" too. If it happens, I won't lose sleep over it but I won't feign enthusiasm about it either, despite the inevitable follow-up pronouncements that said IU guy "will unite the fanbase" and "was Dolson's #1 choice the whole time," given the implausibility of such assertions. As much as I'd like a "splash hire" if only to rub it in the face of the overrated, overpaid "experts" in the sports media, I'm also more than prepared for a much more modest hire such as a Fife. And if that is what does eventually occur, I'm also prepared to hear the same shallow, lazy "experts" who keep telling us at every opportunity how far from elite the IU program is, and how unrealistic its fanbase is, rip Dolson for such an uninspiring, "non-elite" hire. That's just how their games are played. OKHOOSIER, Deserthoozier, Hippopotamo and 3 others 6
CSP Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You must be watching a different college basketball than I am watching. Just look at the shooting percentages to day compared to what it us to be when the college game was at its best. Don't need to. Show me the shooting efficiency. Your line of thinking is archaic at best. FightFor6 and FWHoosier84 2
Magisterium Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, str8baller said: Good coaches don’t coach like that. Either you can coach both or you can’t. Whether you’re offense more than defense or vice versa will be dictated by personnel. agree to an extent, but IMO most of the recruitable "personnel" these days have more offensive skills than defensive ones, particularly shooting
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