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[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Fife claimed otherwise. But then again he’s got incentive to not admit it 

You’re going to get less than 5 minutes a game but we really want you to stay. Then you tell everyone you tried.

[cthomas]

10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think he was also told to move along. 

Do we know that for sure? He was probably not going to play much, even if healthy, and I would expect the staff to be honest with him about that. At that point, it is up to him to make the best decision for him. As a manager, I asked for trust from my employees and gave the same to them. From my experience, trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. I believe that trust will be essential to what CMW is trying to do. I have no clue what the nature of the conversations with the players have been, but I hope they have been honest, upfront, and caring. To me, that is the path to long term success.

[iu eyedoc]

29 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You’re first paragraph talks about getting rid of a die hard Hoosier, for someone a little better. But didn’t we just do that with Brunk?

How so?

1)Brunk could have stayed. In fact, why would any coach encourage a freebie scholarship guy to leave? 

2)No one new was added at Brunks position. So he just didn't want to stay for whatever reason. 

3)And by him leaving to take a similar PT position at OSU, I would far from consider him a die hard Hoosier. 

[iu eyedoc]

16 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You’re going to get less than 5 minutes a game but we really want you to stay. Then you tell everyone you tried.

What did IU gain by having a non scholarship counting, mature team leader leave? It makes zero sense to think they didn't want him around.

[Parakeet Jones]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Rothstein - Louisville transfer Josh Nickelberry has committed to La Salle.

So he will be playing for Archie in 22-23. 

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

What did IU gain by having a non scholarship counting, mature team leader leave? It makes zero sense to think they didn't want him around.

Good point. He didn’t count against scholarship.  No reason to run him off 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Arizona State's Marcus Bagley will enter the NCAA transfer portal, his father Marvin Bagley Jr. told ESPN. "Marcus will continue to work out for NBA teams and attempt to improve his draft status. However, he’s entering the NCAA transfer portal to ensure all options are covered."

[Hoosierfan2017]

39 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

What did IU gain by having a non scholarship counting, mature team leader leave? It makes zero sense to think they didn't want him around.

Maybe they didn’t want to waste practice reps on a 6th year senior who they knew wouldn’t ever see the floor? Just spitballing as I really have no idea.

[Dave from Dayton]

Sure, Brunk was older...a leader we think...and he was big.  But he wasn't super mobile.  Did the metrics show that the team was better with him when TJD or Race were out?  What was all the hedging about out near the free throw line?  Free throws were not good.  Scoring wasn't great.  

Coach MW may have said that IU was looking to have just one inside.  Between TJD, Race and big newcomer D who needs the game minutes...Brunk wouldn't get much in the uptempo game.

Sad but true.  Brunk and tOSU coach go way back.  Better for him to be there. Hope that he gets lots of PT at tOSU and IU beats the heck out of them.  They will be slower with him.

Thanks for being here.  Hope your health is better.  Next man up.

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Dave from Dayton

[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Sure, Brunk was older...a leader we think...and he was big.  But he wasn't super mobile.  Did the metrics show that the team was better with him when TJD or Race were out?  What was all the hedging about out near the free throw line?  Free throws were not good.  Scoring wasn't great.  

Coach MW may have said that IU was looking to have just one inside.  Between TJD, Race and big newcomer D who needs the game minutes...Brunk wouldn't get much in the uptempo game.

Sad but true.  Brunk and tOSU coach go way back.  Better for him to be there. Hope that he gets lots of PT at tOSU and IU beats the heck out of them.  They will be slower with him.

Thanks for being here.  Hope your health is better.  Next man up.

 

Not sure about Metrics but Archies only semi decent team was the one with Brunk Playing 

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

Do we know that for sure? He was probably not going to play much, even if healthy, and I would expect the staff to be honest with him about that. At that point, it is up to him to make the best decision for him. As a manager, I asked for trust from my employees and gave the same to them. From my experience, trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. I believe that trust will be essential to what CMW is trying to do. I have no clue what the nature of the conversations with the players have been, but I hope they have been honest, upfront, and caring. To me, that is the path to long term success.

Yep. If he was told he wouldn't get much PT and decided to leave that isn't being forced out, it's being honest. Better that than lying to make sure he stays.

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

What did IU gain by having a non scholarship counting, mature team leader leave? It makes zero sense to think they didn't want him around.

I've made this same point to no effect. Forcing him out to me means that they wanted him gone which makes no sense.

I think he was told honestly that he didn't fit the style and wouldn't get much PT. If he had decided to stay I don't think they would've been unhappy.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

You’re going to get less than 5 minutes a game but we really want you to stay. Then you tell everyone you tried.

But that would be different than simply saying 'move along'.  

To me there is a difference between saying 'you aren't going to get playing time with us so if you want to, you'll have to go somewhere else' and 'you aren't welcome here'.  In some cases, they actually mean the same thing and the first is just a nuanced way of saying the second.  But in Brunk's case, his scholarship wasn't going to count against us, so by itself him moving on -- at least on the surface -- wouldn't help.  The only possible benefit would be if sometime prior to the roster being finalized there would be an open spot and another big would be more likley to take the spot if Brunk wasn't around due to less competition for PT.  

[Hoosierfanyuh]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

You’re first paragraph talks about getting rid of a die hard Hoosier, for someone a little better. But didn’t we just do that with Brunk?

Mans spitting nothing but facts

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not sure about Metrics but Archies only semi decent team was the one with Brunk Playing 

But the metrics on that team with Brunk playing were worse than when he was playing.  And it was no secret that as the year progressed he was getting less and less time.  In his last 8 games in 19-20, he was under 10 minutes three times and over 20 minutes just once.

Edited April 25, 2021 by brumdog45
inaccuracy

[RaceToTheTop]

*worse when he played

[Alford Bailey]

Lots of hand wringing happening about 2 guys who absolutely do not fit in CMW scheme......

[Brass Cannon]

8 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

But the metrics on that team with Brunk playing were worse than when he was playing.  And it was no secret that as the year progressed he was getting less and less time.  In his last 8 games in 19-20, he was under 10 minutes three times and over 20 minutes just once.

What metics?  

[iu eyedoc]

11 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

But that would be different than simply saying 'move along'.  

To me there is a difference between saying 'you aren't going to get playing time with us so if you want to, you'll have to go somewhere else' and 'you aren't welcome here'.  In some cases, they actually mean the same thing and the first is just a nuanced way of saying the second.  But in Brunk's case, his scholarship wasn't going to count against us, so by itself him moving on -- at least on the surface -- wouldn't help.  The only possible benefit would be if sometime prior to the roster being finalized there would be an open spot and another big would be more likley to take the spot if Brunk wasn't around due to less competition for PT.  

If CMW is  looking for guys that are worried about losing PT to Joey Brunk types... oy vey.

[IUHoosierJoe]

14 hours ago, Chris007 said:

You’re going to get less than 5 minutes a game but we really want you to stay. Then you tell everyone you tried.

I see 3 possible ways the staff could have dealt with Joey Brunk:

A: Tell him he's not welcome anymore;  B: Tell him they appreciate his work ethic and leadership and they want him to stay, but they only see him getting 5-10 minutes per game and leave the decision to him;  C: Lie to him and "promise" him 25-30 minutes per game, but then only play him 5-10 minutes.

B is by far the best, most honest, ethical option, in my opinion.  And you're saying that's what they did.  I'm good with that.  Further, I would argue that C is worse than A.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

What metics?  

plus/minus.   Offensive and defensive efficiency.  The worst combinations we had involved Brunk -- specifically when Brunk, TJD, and Smith were in the lineup at the same time....which makes sense because it put three guys on the court that had no perimeter game.