Fred Glass Retiring

[cthomas]

Jeez, not again! Think I'll step away from the keyboard.

[Hoosierfan2017]

57 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Those uniforms were dope

[Southside]

Are there any "lists" out there yet from the talking heads?

[Southside]

9 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

Scott Dolson, Chris Reynolds, and Pat Kraft are the three names that are being mentioned right now. Dolson or Kraft stand out to me although it is worth looking at an outside candidate who can provide an impartial assessment of the department. Purdue hired Bobinski a couple of years ago and he had zero ties to the school.

None of the names knock my socks off but none are bad. I do like the thought of a former BB player though. 

I'm sure the lists will get longer in short order.

While I think we've made some gains, I'd like to see some shake up. And I'd like them to continue improving facilities (not just BB). 

[southernindianahoosier2]

Honest question for those on the board. Removing Cook Hall (as that was Greenspan’s project). What would you grade Fred Glass’s impact on the basketball program only from 2009-2019?


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

The man, the myth, the legend... the one who started “The Process.” Sam Hinkie... lol


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[Hoosierfan2017]

8 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Honest question for those on the board. Removing Cook Hall (as that was Greenspan’s project). What would you grade Fred Glass’s impact on the basketball program only from 2009-2019?


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It's been the worst decade of Indiana basketball probably ever. Just depends on how much of it you want to put on Glass. 

[Alford Bailey]

20 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Honest question for those on the board. Removing Cook Hall (as that was Greenspan’s project). What would you grade Fred Glass’s impact on the basketball program only from 2009-2019?


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Id grade him a D on the basketball program.

[Brass Cannon]

19 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Id grade him a D on the basketball program.

We made the tourney what 4 times in his tenure?  Never making an Elite 8?  I’d go with D as well I suppose 

[Old Friend]

Glass didn't hire Sampson but had to clean up the mess.  At the time he hired Crean, it was a good hire.  Crean did much of his own undoing.  The jury is still out on Archie; but I'm more in his camp than out.  Glass deserves better by far than a D.  Making the tournament and succeeding in the tournament have exactly zero to do with the Athletic Director.   Does Duke's current AD get credit for their success, for example?

I'd give him a C+ for Crean and an incomplete on Archie, even as I still like the hire.  My main issue is it still seems Archie is learning on the job, but the best news is he IS learning on the job.

[RatpigHoosier]

I was at that game. Champaign is an hour drive for me on I57

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I was at the senior night when the dunk assist happened. He was giving his speech and ended by something to the effect of, “I know many of you are wondering if I can in fact dunk so I’d like to put all speculation to rest”. That’s when he went down to the north basket and I thought Calbert and maybe Greg Graham lifted him up to dunk. Pretty funny.


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Glass didn't hire Sampson but had to clean up the mess.  At the time he hired Crean, it was a good hire.  Crean did much of his own undoing.  The jury is still out on Archie; but I'm more in his camp than out.  Glass deserves better by far than a D.  Making the tournament and succeeding in the tournament have exactly zero to do with the Athletic Director.   Does Duke's current AD get credit for their success, for example?

I'd give him a C+ for Crean and an incomplete on Archie, even as I still like the hire.  My main issue is it still seems Archie is learning on the job, but the best news is he IS learning on the job.

Duke has 2 Nationals championships during their current ADs time. So not a very good comparison. 

[Old Friend]

58 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It's been the worst decade of Indiana basketball probably ever. Just depends on how much of it you want to put on Glass. 

This simply isn't accurate.  Not even close.  It's another in the cesspool of negative narratives.

In the last 10 seasons (not even including this one), Indiana has won 2 Big Ten titles, made 3 sweet 16's, and its only losing records were years 2 and 3 of Crean's tenure.   Indiana produced several NBA lottery and 1st round draft picks and won 20+ games 4 times.   Worst decade ever?   Not close.

Take a look sometime between 1958 and 1972.  And again between 2003-2012.  That decade ended well, but the beginning through year 9 were disappointing for very different reasons than the beginning of this past one.  And...with a 10-1 start, the current decade's not getting any worse.  And yes, we all know what hasn't yet happened this season; but that's another in a long line of straw man arguments.

It hasn't been great every year, but worst ever?   It hasn't been close to that, either.

[Old Friend]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Duke has 2 Nationals championships during their current ADs time. So not a very good comparison. 

Not at all what I meant, either.  

[chicagoHOOSIER]

6 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Have seen Pat Kraft's name mentioned by several different people and I'm not advocating one way or the other because I'm totally unfamiliar with the man but this is from a Temple U. website and it sounds pretty good.

https://owlsports.com/staff-directory/dr-patrick-kraft/474

 

Thank you for sharing that, CO66OF. 

He seems to take a lot of credit for football and basketball championships and other things that happened so shortly after he began,  you have to wonder how much he had to do with a lot of that.  He may be a guru after all, but I think if I was in a meeting with him interviewing him about the open position at IU, I would ask him to list what he did specifically to bring about those championships a year after he was named A.D., and also what he did specifically to bring about the other many bullet points he lists, and then after the meeting put some eager hard working lower level people in the department to work gathering information to see how much the different versions of the stories match, and how much doesn't.  I would want them to interview a lot of other people who worked on those same projects.  And I would want to hear back about his tireless involvement in those successes.  And I would want to know about his failures as well.  I am not saying he sounds like a blowhard to me, but I am saying that the possibility exists that he may have been a beneficiary of the work of a lot of other very good people he had nothing to do with hiring, or possibly even very little to do with otherwise.  He lists a lot of good things that happened in the department since he became director.  He was also deputy director for two years prior at Temple, so maybe he was very hands on turning a department around.  IU needs to be thorough.  I do not want to see IU blow it with the eventual hire for this position.  We already know some of the people involved in the hiring process have shown they can be susceptible to blowhardiness.  It seems to be a weakness they may not even yet know they have. 

 

[AKHoosier]

I just hope we get an outside hire who will make a commitment to winning and shake things up a bit.

From what I've read on various boards, the athletic department really gets hamstrung with compliance and isn't allowed to find ways to use rules to their advantage.  I'm not even sure what all the entails, but I do know if I were coach of the basketball program, I'd want to be able to do my job without my boss trying to find ways to bust me.

I'm not saying we gotta be Duke or Kentucky, because I don't want that.  I'm just tired of losing recruits to the Marquettes of the world.

[Josh]

2 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Honest question for those on the board. Removing Cook Hall (as that was Greenspan’s project). What would you grade Fred Glass’s impact on the basketball program only from 2009-2019?


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D-

[Magnanimous]

49 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I just hope we get an outside hire who will make a commitment to winning and shake things up a bit.

From what I've read on various boards, the athletic department really gets hamstrung with compliance and isn't allowed to find ways to use rules to their advantage.  I'm not even sure what all the entails, but I do know if I were coach of the basketball program, I'd want to be able to do my job without my boss trying to find ways to bust me.

I'm not saying we gotta be Duke or Kentucky, because I don't want that.  I'm just tired of losing recruits to the Marquettes of the world.

Unless you’re off the Archie train and want him fired right now there isn’t anything a new AD will bring to the table that will change the trajectory of IU sports, which for the most part are doing very well. Unless you want our basketball program to start paying OADs, which we’ve seen has a low percentage of working out.

[Hoosierfan2017]

3 hours ago, Old Friend said:

This simply isn't accurate.  Not even close.  It's another in the cesspool of negative narratives.

In the last 10 seasons (not even including this one), Indiana has won 2 Big Ten titles, made 3 sweet 16's, and its only losing records were years 2 and 3 of Crean's tenure.   Indiana produced several NBA lottery and 1st round draft picks and won 20+ games 4 times.   Worst decade ever?   Not close.

Take a look sometime between 1958 and 1972.  And again between 2003-2012.  That decade ended well, but the beginning through year 9 were disappointing for very different reasons than the beginning of this past one.  And...with a 10-1 start, the current decade's not getting any worse.  And yes, we all know what hasn't yet happened this season; but that's another in a long line of straw man arguments.

It hasn't been great every year, but worst ever?   It hasn't been close to that, either.

I said it was probably the worst period ever in IU basketball history because I have exams and was too lazy to dissect every single period. But it absolutely was one of the worst. When I have to go back to before my parents were born to find a worse period you know it was bad.

During the 11 years from 2009-2019, IU missed the tournament 7 times. When was the last 11 year stretch in which IU missed the tournament 7 times? 

So, sure, you're right, IU won 2 big 10 championships and made it to 3 sweet 16s. They also missed the tournament 7 times. Before 2009, IU missed the tournament 7 times total from 1971-2008. And before 1971 a fraction of teams made it to the tournament compared to now. 

Stop pretending that it's "another in the cesspool of negative narratives"  to say that 2009-2019 was one of the worst periods in IU basketball history. Kentucky fans would burn their arena to the ground if they missed 7 out of 11 tournaments. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I said it was probably the worst period ever in IU basketball history because I have exams and was too lazy to dissect every single period. But it absolutely was one of the worst. When I have to go back to before my parents were born to find a worse period you know it was bad.
During the 11 years from 2009-2019, IU missed the tournament 7 times. When was the last 11 year stretch in which IU missed the tournament 7 times? 
So, sure, you're right, IU won 2 big 10 championships and made it to 3 sweet 16s. They also missed the tournament 7 times. Before 2009, IU missed the tournament 7 times total from 1971-2008. And before 1971 a fraction of teams made it to the tournament compared to now. 
Stop pretending that it's "another in the cesspool of negative narratives"  to say that 2009-2019 was one of the worst periods in IU basketball history. Kentucky fans would burn their arena to the ground if they missed 7 out of 11 tournaments. 

Well you’re obviously not a real fan because Archie is the best ever and this next decade will be the greatest of all time.


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