Transfer Portal w/IU Interest

[iu eyedoc]

11 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Without a doubt.  Cutting the margins as thin as possible and pushing the freshman into spots of need.  Those spots are to be earned.  
 

I get it.  Building rosters is expensive, especially when you turn over damn near every spot.  But we are literally aiming for practice players.  The number of guys out there that might push our freshman are innumerable.  It’s not the money.  It’s the staff choosing this path.   They basically want a roster of 10.  That’s fine if those 10 don’t have question marks or injury concerns. It’s insane otherwise.  Handcuffing ourselves.  

So you are positing that CDD and staff are choosing to reject superior players because they want a challenge? Is it that they are too lazy to recruit into May? Or maybe you think they don't want the drama of the fans pushing for an 11th,or 12th man to get some minutes? Perhaps they want to keep expectations low, could that be it? 

Thinking about these, they seem pretty far fetched, so if you would, please, educate me on what reason you believe this staff is choosing to only give remaining scholarships to "practice" players when they have so many great options begging  to make little money and sit at the end of the bench.

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

So you are positing that CDD and staff are choosing to reject superior players because they want a challenge? Is it that they are too lazy to recruit into May? Or maybe you think they don't want the drama of the fans pushing for an 11th,or 12th man to get some minutes? Perhaps they want to keep expectations low, could that be it? 

Thinking about these, they seem pretty far fetched, so if you would, please, educate me on what reason you believe this staff is choosing to only give remaining scholarships to "practice" players when they have so many great options begging  to make little money and sit at the end of the bench.

Well Rabjohns reported weeks ago that the last three spots were basically going to just be practice players. We probably simply ran out of money and decided to roll with what we've got.

The PG we just signed was literally one of the 50 worst players in D1 last year, statistically. I saw some people compare this signing to Alec Millender at UConn but even that's not close to the same type of vet signing.

The same day we signed Sokolov, Arizona signed a guy from the same German league with better stats. End of the bench doesn't have to be world beaters but would be nice to take a lotto ticket. These guys are out there.

Seems based on Rabjohns reporting that we are comfortable with what we've got and / or don't have the cash to further upgrade. Only time will tell how effectively they've handled things.

[Stuhoo]

Ultimately the staff gets judged on how effectively they combine evaluation with roster construction and then player development.

• I am pretty comfortable with scheme.
• I have absolutely no reason to yet believe that we spent wisely and according to excellent player evaluations.
• So we may disappoint again, but it's entirely too soon tell.

[BA47591]

Maybe we are fine with what we have, but are prepared to take a swing if someone drops out of the draft.

[ronzo4IU]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

So you are positing that CDD and staff are choosing to reject superior players because they want a challenge? Is it that they are too lazy to recruit into May? Or maybe you think they don't want the drama of the fans pushing for an 11th,or 12th man to get some minutes? Perhaps they want to keep expectations low, could that be it? 

Thinking about these, they seem pretty far fetched, so if you would, please, educate me on what reason you believe this staff is choosing to only give remaining scholarships to "practice" players when they have so many great options begging  to make little money and sit at the end of the bench.

I think the idea here is about adding rotational players that can come in and not have a huge drop off especially for our post players so they can keep their legs under them unlike last year. 

As it stands, we have no back up plan for injuries or foul trouble and that is a concern.  Sokolov may be ok for a few min but I believe we need at least one more serviceable Big for necessary Big10 depth.  

Running out of money is the only thing that makes sense to me.

[AZ Hoosier]

32 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

I think the idea here is about adding rotational players that can come in and not have a huge drop off especially for our post players so they can keep their legs under them unlike last year. 

As it stands, we have no back up plan for injuries or foul trouble and that is a concern.  Sokolov may be ok for a few min but I believe we need at least one more serviceable Big for necessary Big10 depth.  

Running out of money is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Get Mark Cuban on the phone.

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Ultimately the staff gets judged on how effectively they combine evaluation with roster construction and then player development.

• I am pretty comfortable with scheme.
• I have absolutely no reason to yet believe that we spent wisely and according to excellent player evaluations.
• So we may disappoint again, but it's entirely too soon tell.

If the core stay healthy, should be much better this year. But we're also an injury away from being worse than last year. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

So you are positing that CDD and staff are choosing to reject superior players because they want a challenge? Is it that they are too lazy to recruit into May? Or maybe you think they don't want the drama of the fans pushing for an 11th,or 12th man to get some minutes? Perhaps they want to keep expectations low, could that be it? 

Thinking about these, they seem pretty far fetched, so if you would, please, educate me on what reason you believe this staff is choosing to only give remaining scholarships to "practice" players when they have so many great options begging  to make little money and sit at the end of the bench.

I think it’s intentional.  I think it’s somewhat about money being low.  Maybe even mostly this. However I think they like a short rotation and they want the freshman to be involved.  Also an argument can be team chemistry with players getting what they are promised.  
 

Im not saying there isn’t benefits, but this strategy relies on freshmen being ready to contribute and the hope we don’t have 1-3 impact injuries.  The drop off is huge for us from starter to bench to practice guy.  
 

Not my preference, but this was clearly the plan. 

[Crazy about IU]

It’s pretty obvious we must not have much money left. But I do feel we have a much better team than last year. My biggest concern is At point guard. Burton goes down we are probably in a world of trouble. I would love to see a top eight rotation piece with the last scholarship. I feel at least one or two of the freshmen are going to have to be a solid piece for  this team to be really good. But I do feel we should be a top 20 team if we stay fairly healthy. My bet is we end the season no worse than a 5 seed. I was more concerned with last years team. We ended up on the bubble. 

[BannerVille]

28 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think it’s intentional.  I think it’s somewhat about money being low.  Maybe even mostly this. However I think they like a short rotation and they want the freshman to be involved.  Also an argument can be team chemistry with players getting what they are promised.  
 

Im not saying there isn’t benefits, but this strategy relies on freshmen being ready to contribute and the hope we don’t have 1-3 impact injuries.  The drop off is huge for us from starter to bench to practice guy.  
 

Not my preference, but this was clearly the plan. 

Although this doesn't fully explain it either as the freshmen don't play the positions we need backups for.  There's ample opportunity for someone to earn time at wing if they're ready, but we absolutely NEED additional PG and PF in the rotation and Karvala/Manhertz aren't helping there.  Not getting a secondary ball handler who is either a known quantity at this level or with tangible upside is malpractice.

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22 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Hopefully the last guy is #11 and not #13.

I doubt we are coming on the Euro big to be ready to absorb any minutes.  Really need someone capable of playing the 4/5 for depth.

Hallelujah brother!

[HinnyHoosier]

[Shooter]

5 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Well Rabjohns reported weeks ago that the last three spots were basically going to just be practice players. We probably simply ran out of money and decided to roll with what we've got.

The PG we just signed was literally one of the 50 worst players in D1 last year, statistically. I saw some people compare this signing to Alec Millender at UConn but even that's not close to the same type of vet signing.

The same day we signed Sokolov, Arizona signed a guy from the same German league with better stats. End of the bench doesn't have to be world beaters but would be nice to take a lotto ticket. These guys are out there.

Seems based on Rabjohns reporting that we are comfortable with what we've got and / or don't have the cash to further upgrade. Only time will tell how effectively they've handled things.

The PG we signed is very similar to Alec Millender at UConn, in that both will end the season with 0 significant minutes played. I don't get the hand-wringing over spots 10-13 (not referring to you in particular here). None of those dudes are going to play.

Our bench (guys 6-9) is very unproven, so that's absolutely a fair critique. Our resources are finite, and we clearly chose to spend them on our top guys. We will see how it works out.

[Home Jersey]

11 minutes ago, Shooter said:

The PG we signed is very similar to Alec Millender at UConn, in that both will end the season with 0 significant minutes played. I don't get the hand-wringing over spots 10-13 (not referring to you in particular here). None of those dudes are going to play.

Our bench (guys 6-9) is very unproven, so that's absolutely a fair critique. Our resources are finite, and we clearly chose to spend them on our top guys. We will see how it works out.

Agree it's not worth handwringing over 11-13 and neither Millender or Morton are likely to get many minutes at all. That doesn't change the fact that Millender performed much better at IU Indy than Morton did at UMES. Millender actually played 7 really important minutes in their first round game against Furman because of injuries and he was able to do what they needed him to do. I don't think Morton is capable of that, but it's largely irrelevant anyway. Agree all we can do is wait and see how it shakes out

[str8baller]

5 hours ago, Crazy about IU said:

My biggest concern is At point guard. Burton goes down we are probably in a world of trouble.

I’m not picking on you because I’ve literally seen about everyone mention this. But, a couple of counterpoints for the board: 
 

1) That’s true of every team. You can’t have a suitable near all-conference pg just sitting on the bench in case of injury. Any backup we bring in will be a huge drop off from Burton. At any point last year if Stirtz, Smith, Thornton, Fears, etc.. went out those teams were in a no-win situation. 
 

2) Lindsey. I will say I didn’t watch  much  Villanova last year and don’t have a good read on him. But he was second on the team in assists and 2nd in USG rate. You have to think the staff has him pegged as our emergency PG if Burton goes down. 
 

3) Sherrell. What are we paying this guy 4-5 million dollars for if he can’t be the focal point of the offense for a few game stretch if Burton would have to miss a couple games with an injury? 

[Crazy about IU]

No I totally agree with you. Yes it’s probably very difficult to get a good player to come in for limited minutes at point. I am only saying he comes in off injury and who knows how he holds up. I believe he’s my biggest concern about next years team. I think we have two guys who can play the post. 
I think he’s the most be we can least afford to win. 

[BA47591]

29 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m not picking on you because I’ve literally seen about everyone mention this. But, a couple of counterpoints for the board: 
 

1) That’s true of every team. You can’t have a suitable near all-conference pg just sitting on the bench in case of injury. Any backup we bring in will be a huge drop off from Burton. At any point last year if Stirtz, Smith, Thornton, Fears, etc.. went out those teams were in a no-win situation. 
 

2) Lindsey. I will say I didn’t watch  much  Villanova last year and don’t have a good read on him. But he was second on the team in assists and 2nd in USG rate. You have to think the staff has him pegged as our emergency PG if Burton goes down. 
 

3) Sherrell. What are we paying this guy 4-5 million dollars for if he can’t be the focal point of the offense for a few game stretch if Burton would have to miss a couple games with an injury? 

Defense will be an issue with Harris and Burton starting together. It would be fantastic if Harris would cone out of his coma and move Lindsey back to the role he played at JMU. He still played 29mpg and feasted on the other teams second unit guys. I'm not saying Harris is Oladipo but his size an effort are good on that side of the ball. Mustaf will get the other teams best perimeter guy. 

I think you're right about running the ball through Sherrell alot. I hope he's under 260. 5 million buys a lot of snacks. 

 

 

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around 19k a pound, that's still better than burger in Iran

[HinnyHoosier]

We land a top 5 transfer portal class but we're clutching pearls about probably not finding a diamond in the rough at spot 12 who's capable of stepping in for Markus Burton but also willing to sit on the end of the bench all season waiting for everyone to get hurt. Classic. 

[str8baller]

11 hours ago, BA47591 said:

Defense will be an issue with Harris and Burton starting together.

Do you think Harris starts over Lindsey or Mustaf?