Transfer Portal w/IU Interest

[ronzo4IU]

38 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

We land a top 5 transfer portal class but we're clutching pearls about probably not finding a diamond in the rough at spot 12 who's capable of stepping in for Markus Button but also willing to sit on the end of the bench all season waiting for everyone to get hurt. Classic. 

It depends on if there are real concerns or not.  We have one spot left.  When you see how Michigan has been building their roster as a pretty good model for modern basketball, you can begin to see a pretty glaring hole in our front court at least. That doesn't take away from the fact that DD landed two high caliber post players though.  

[Home Jersey]

51 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

We land a top 5 transfer portal class but we're clutching pearls about probably not finding a diamond in the rough at spot 12 who's capable of stepping in for Markus Burton but also willing to sit on the end of the bench all season waiting for everyone to get hurt. Classic. 

Who is clutching pearls? I think the discussion is mainly about the fact that, while our portal class is highly rated, we have no proven depth on our bench.

No team can afford to lose their best players to injury. Many teams do, in fact, have back ups that are more proven than 10mpg that Harris and Sisley gave last year or 3 freshmen or 3 practice players. 

We could have a great season next year! Or we could have another one like last year. The possibilities are endless and the board is where we discuss them. 

[AH1971]

18 hours ago, Shooter said:

The PG we signed is very similar to Alec Millender at UConn, in that both will end the season with 0 significant minutes played. I don't get the hand-wringing over spots 10-13 (not referring to you in particular here). None of those dudes are going to play.

Our bench (guys 6-9) is very unproven, so that's absolutely a fair critique. Our resources are finite, and we clearly chose to spend them on our top guys. We will see how it works out.

The difference is that UConn had Malachi Smith coming off the bench. Smith was a 3 year starter at Dayton. We literally don't have a backup PG. That's the problem. 

[AH1971]

3 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

We land a top 5 transfer portal class but we're clutching pearls about probably not finding a diamond in the rough at spot 12 who's capable of stepping in for Markus Burton but also willing to sit on the end of the bench all season waiting for everyone to get hurt. Classic. 

Not having any depth whatsoever is a major concern, especially when your point guard missed significant time each of the last two season due to injury. 

[HoosierHoopster]

27 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Not having any depth whatsoever is a major concern, especially when your point guard missed significant time each of the last two season due to injury. 

I'm in the camp of wanting further depth especially at point as I've been posting, but disagree we don't have "any depth whatsoever." Our depth is definitely limited but there is some, going to require some well thought out subbing, maybe --

Burton - Lindsay - Moody (these strike me as most likely to play on-ball roles, not sure of others)

Lindsay - Harris - Monden

Mustaf - Moody - Karvala

Sherrell - Sisley - Manhertz

Yigi - Sisley - Sokolov

 

 

[AZ Hoosier]

7 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

We land a top 5 transfer portal class but we're clutching pearls about probably not finding a diamond in the rough at spot 12 who's capable of stepping in for Markus Burton but also willing to sit on the end of the bench all season waiting for everyone to get hurt. Classic. 

You seem to be missing the point that we have virtually no depth. We're a serious injury away from crashing and burning... and don't get me started on foul trouble. We have many "single points of failure" (more correctly "single points of success") with this roster.

[go iu bb]

This is IU basketball. For me, they have become close to what IU football used to be: I expect meh until proven wrong. 

It looks like they're out of money. I don't think the last few roster spots will really make a difference but I would think if they just want practice players someone better than that guard they just landed would be good. How much do bad players really help in practice?

It is what it is. I guess we'll see when the season begins.

[CSP]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I'm in the camp of wanting further depth especially at point as I've been posting, but disagree we don't have "any depth whatsoever." Our depth is definitely limited but there is some, going to require some well thought out subbing, maybe --

Burton - Lindsay - Moody (these strike me as most likely to play on-ball roles, not sure of others)

Lindsay - Harris - Monden

Mustaf - Moody - Karvala

Sherrell - Sisley - Manhertz

Yigi - Sisley - Sokolov

 

 

Burton- Lindsay- Moody

Lindsay- Harris-Moody

Mustaf- Harris-Karvela-Sisley

Sherrell-Sisley-Manhertz

Yigi-Sherrell-Sokolov

 

I would prefer another 4. I don't see any mins available 1-3. 

3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Who is clutching pearls? I think the discussion is mainly about the fact that, while our portal class is highly rated, we have no proven depth on our bench.

No team can afford to lose their best players to injury. Many teams do, in fact, have back ups that are more proven than 10mpg that Harris and Sisley gave last year or 3 freshmen or 3 practice players. 

We could have a great season next year! Or we could have another one like last year. The possibilities are endless and the board is where we discuss them. 

Did we actually think we were going to achieve that? 

I'm not convinced many teams, especially outside of the top 10, do have what you mentioned-- Harris, Sisley, and 3 FR-- backups wise. Why can't Sisley improve as LJ Cason did? Trent played about 50 mins more as a FR than LJ did. 

I think this team clearly body bags our group we had last year. 

[CSP]

10 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

You seem to be missing the point that we have virtually no depth. We're a serious injury away from crashing and burning... and don't get me started on foul trouble. We have many "single points of failure" with this roster.

The bold--- a lot of teams throughout history could say that. 

"virtually no depth" that would be assuming Karvala, Moody are non contributors. 

[AH1971]

25 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I'm in the camp of wanting further depth especially at point as I've been posting, but disagree we don't have "any depth whatsoever." Our depth is definitely limited but there is some, going to require some well thought out subbing, maybe --

Burton - Lindsay - Moody (these strike me as most likely to play on-ball roles, not sure of others)

Lindsay - Harris - Monden

Mustaf - Moody - Karvala

Sherrell - Sisley - Manhertz

Yigi - Sisley - Sokolov

 

 

You have two primary ballhandlers on the team, Burton and Monden. One is injury prone and the other statistically was one of the worst 50 players in all of college basketball last year. Lindsay playing 38 minutes at PG next year in the event of injury next year. If one of Samet or Sherrell go down next year, your front court is Sisley and Sokolov. That's horrendous. 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, CSP said:

I think this team clearly body bags our group we had last year. 

I sure hope so, is that the only goal?

A lot riding on Sisley and Harris taking big steps forward. Hopefully it works out. Depth is still an obvious question mark right now

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I sure hope so, is that the only goal?

A lot riding on Sisley and Harris taking big steps forward. Hopefully it works out. Depth is still an obvious question mark right now

You mentioned the possibility of having a season like last year... I think being so significantly better at the 1/4/5 ensures that won't happen. 

I think top end talent is a bigger question mark than depth

[AH1971]

20 minutes ago, CSP said:

Did we actually think we were going to achieve that? 

I'm not convinced many teams, especially outside of the top 10, do have what you mentioned-- Harris, Sisley, and 3 FR-- backups wise. Why can't Sisley improve as LJ Cason did? Trent played about 50 mins more as a FR than LJ did. 

I think this team clearly body bags our group we had last year. 

Career averages for our 6th and 7th players next year

Harris 8.4 mpg 2.8 ppg

Sisley 13.2 mpg 4.4 ppg

That's not good. Not to mention there isn't a primary ballhandler or a serviceable big man on the bench.

Agree that the overall talent level has gotten better, but you could easily make the case this roster is constructed worse this year than last year.

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, CSP said:

You mentioned the possibility of having a season like last year... I think being so significantly better at the 1/4/5 ensures that won't happen. 

I think top end talent is a bigger question mark than depth

I was told I was pessimistic for saying the team could go 12-8 in the Big Ten next year lol. I don't think anything is ensured

[Home Jersey]

24 minutes ago, CSP said:

The bold--- a lot of teams throughout history could say that. 

"virtually no depth" that would be assuming Karvala, Moody are non contributors. 

I highly doubt Moody or Karvala are very  meaningful contributors next year. Maybe Moody does OK

[BA47591]

Harris and health at the point. 

Our floor is 10 conf wins, ceiling 15. 

[CSP]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Career averages for our 6th and 7th players next year

Harris 8.4 mpg 2.8 ppg

Sisley 13.2 mpg 4.4 ppg

That's not good. Not to mention there isn't a primary ballhandler or a serviceable big man on the bench.

Agree that the overall talent level has gotten better, but you could easily make the case this roster is constructed worse this year than last year.

"primary ball handler" a buzz word that doesn't mean a whole lot... Moody is going to play some point, so is Lindsay. 

That grouping, along with Burton, dwarfs--- Enright, Conerway. 

No serviceable bench big... ok. Sisley is a better rebounder, by a lot, than anyone we brought off the bench, by the end of the year, last season. But, we upgraded IMMENSELY at the STARTING 4/5. 

You could not make that case, no. 

[CSP]

6 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I highly doubt Moody or Karvala are very  meaningful contributors next year. Maybe Moody does OK

Then we suck at scouting, I guess. 

[American HoosierX]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Career averages for our 6th and 7th players next year

Harris 8.4 mpg 2.8 ppg

Sisley 13.2 mpg 4.4 ppg

That's not good. Not to mention there isn't a primary ballhandler or a serviceable big man on the bench.

Agree that the overall talent level has gotten better, but you could easily make the case this roster is constructed worse this year than last year.

I would argue we only had 1 true starting caliber BIG player in Wilkerson last year. Our 1-5 have now all meaningfully contributed at power conference schools.

So going to fully disagree that you could easily make that argument.

[Home Jersey]

6 minutes ago, CSP said:

Then we suck at scouting, I guess. 

If we are counting on Karvala to be productive in the Big Ten as a freshman, I suppose that's possible. Staff knows better than me so just going to hope they are right and wait and see. In the meanwhile people will question things that are obviously questionable from a staff that has not yet earned the benefit of the doubt. Would be nice if that changes after this year