Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[IUCrazy2]

6 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

We've said a lot that the next coach has to win right away... that's true to keep fans happy and should be the expectation with our resources. But we're going to have to build this thing up from the bottom. No fast track for being IU. Even in the portal era it may take a couple years for a good coach to really get this thing rolling. The delayed gratification is what will eventually make winning big so sweet.

He isn't going to get delayed gratification.  If we miss the tournament again next year his seat is warm.  Everybody knows that.  There are 3 local examples, 1 with an IU alum that a big portion of the fanbase thinks we should have had if the administration knew what the heck it was doing, that showed you shouldn't have to wait to "build it the right way."

If we are going to build over time, just give the money to football so we have something to enjoy.  You spend $11 million to win NOW.

[Home Jersey]

Just now, IUCrazy2 said:

He isn't going to get delayed gratification.  If we miss the tournament again next year his seat is warm.  Everybody knows that.  There are 3 local examples, 1 with an IU alum that a big portion of the fanbase thinks we should have had if the administration knew what the heck it was doing, that showed you shouldn't have to wait to "build it the right way."

If we are going to build over time, just give the money to football so we have something to enjoy.  You spend $11 million to win NOW.

This will be the 4th coach in 10 years. IU's problem has been bad coaching hires, not the fan base. If we fire everyone after 3-4 years because they don't win big right away, we're going to be doing this into oblivion. I guess that's one approach. 

Like it or not... fans may have to wait two or three years for it to be really rolling. We're not the employer here telling them their seat is warm after one year. We can throw money at whoever... this cycle is still not going to net the best version of DDV's roster because he has no track record here/momentum behind the program currently. 

A year like Louisville's would be very nice. Something less than that is also going to have to be acceptable. IUBB is in no position to act like we're above anything. We have to earn everything from the ground floor up like any other P5 program. 

[Asha’man]

Geez, we miss out on Conwell and people start melting down. Here is hoping people woke up and realize it’s 1 player and there are actually talented players available to get. Let it play out and see what the roster looks like at the end of the portal season. 

[Asha’man]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

This will be the 4th coach in 10 years. IU's problem has been bad coaching hires, not the fan base. If we fire everyone after 3-4 years because they don't win big right away, we're going to be doing this into oblivion. I guess that's one approach. 

Like it or not... fans may have to wait two or three years for it to be really rolling. We're not the employer here telling them their seat is warm after one year. We can throw money at whoever... this cycle is still not going to net the best version of DDV's roster because he has no track record here/momentum behind the program currently. 

A year like Louisville's would be very nice. Something less than that is also going to have to be acceptable. IUBB is in no position to act like we're above anything. We have to earn everything from the ground floor up like any other P5 program. 

Louisville fans didn’t even expect this year to happen. The ACC was also terrible this year as well and that helped them. 

[JSHoosier]

7 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

This will be the 4th coach in 10 years. IU's problem has been bad coaching hires, not the fan base. If we fire everyone after 3-4 years because they don't win big right away, we're going to be doing this into oblivion. I guess that's one approach. 

Like it or not... fans may have to wait two or three years for it to be really rolling. We're not the employer here telling them their seat is warm after one year. We can throw money at whoever... this cycle is still not going to net the best version of DDV's roster because he has no track record here/momentum behind the program currently. 

A year like Louisville's would be very nice. Something less than that is also going to have to be acceptable. IUBB is in no position to act like we're above anything. We have to earn everything from the ground floor up like any other P5 program. 

I don't think anyone expects to compete for a title yesr one; but being in the tournament and possibly winning a game should absolutely be the expectation with no excuses. We need to stop lowering expectations and making excuses, coaches are paid as much as they are for a reason and that reason isn't "well, I tried".

[Home Jersey]

13 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

I don't think anyone expects to compete for a title yesr one; but being in the tournament and possibly winning a game should absolutely be the expectation with no excuses. We need to stop lowering expectations and making excuses, coaches are paid as much as they are for a reason and that reason isn't "well, I tried".

Yes I agree. His WVU roster wasn’t especially talented in terms of rankings and he was snubbed so badly the entire CBB world knows it. It’s not lowering expectations to push back on this idea that he HAS to win NOW or …?

Make the tournament in year 1. Use that momentum to build a monster. Missing out on Conwell sucks but there’s no reason to be talking about seats getting warm. That’s silly.

[TTT]

IU men’s basketball 2025-2026 Record Over and Under 

Overall:  19 wins  13 losses 

Conference 10 wins.  10 losses 

[IUCrazy2]

18 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

This will be the 4th coach in 10 years. IU's problem has been bad coaching hires, not the fan base. If we fire everyone after 3-4 years because they don't win big right away, we're going to be doing this into oblivion. I guess that's one approach. 

Like it or not... fans may have to wait two or three years for it to be really rolling. We're not the employer here telling them their seat is warm after one year. We can throw money at whoever... this cycle is still not going to net the best version of DDV's roster because he has no track record here/momentum behind the program currently. 

A year like Louisville's would be very nice. Something less than that is also going to have to be acceptable. IUBB is in no position to act like we're above anything. We have to earn everything from the ground floor up like any other P5 program. 

I am not saying win big.  I am saying win now.  He cannot miss the tournament.  We ran off a Hoosier legend (who admittedly soiled his own legacy) for winning 19 games every year with talent.  Michigan and Louisville overhauled their entire rosters last year and ended up in the tournament.  Michigan won the BTT and made it to the Sweet 16.  Kentucky, Sweet 16.

If we have to "build from the bottom" then why would we reward the basketball program with a bigger budget than our competitors instead of rewarding the guy who took the worst football program in D1 to the CFP last year?  Reward the guy who already did it if we are going to have to be patient.  I will answer that, it is because the expectation is win now.  We have gutted our women's team and are continuing to put our football program at a competitive disadvantage to win now in men's basketball.  The resources being expended do not indicate patience.

[dwtaylor1055]

With all the back n forth over the last 20 pages, we are at peak IU offseason basketball already AND its only April 2nd lol.  We missed on a higher end guard that is estimated to be getting what $2.5/$3 million on say a $10 million budget?  30% to ONE guy.  Guards win in march sure, BUT he didn't exactly light it up at Xavier in the 2 tourney games recently(see image).  yes he averaged 16.5 ppg, 2.5 ast, 2.8 reb, 45% FG and 41% 3pt shooter on the season so I get the hype, I wanted this kid like most did 

So 30% of our NIL budget to a SG when we need 8-10 spots on a roster with 8 of those likely getting some significant NIL money?  I really wanted Conwell BUT that is quite abit of money for 1 guy when we only have Tucker(yes blah blah blah there hasn't been anything official yet BUT he is waiting on his medical approval I do believe AND assuming Conner is on the team as of last nights news from a few).  Conwell was underwhelming in the big dance this year, maybe with a better overall team those stats improve, I would bet it would.  Tucker is LIKELY getting $1.5/$2 Mil minimum IMO.  

Anyone know what Tucker is projected to be at?  $3 mill for Conwell + $2 mill for Tucker is half of our NIL budget lol woof

 

Give CDV some time, he'll fill a roster out.  Heck, we'll likely have a full roster by the end of April lol.  Would you rather throw $2/$3 mill at Conwell?  Or say Braden Smith(due to enter the portal today/tomorrow I do believe)?  Give me Smith, he wanted to come to IU before committing to PU a few years ago.  Conwell has been here twice AND passed on us twice.  

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I am not saying win big.  I am saying win now.  He cannot miss the tournament.  We ran off a Hoosier legend (who admittedly soiled his own legacy) for winning 19 games every year with talent.  Michigan and Louisville overhauled their entire rosters last year and ended up in the tournament.  Michigan won the BTT and made it to the Sweet 16.  Kentucky, Sweet 16.

If we have to "build from the bottom" then why would we reward the basketball program with a bigger budget than our competitors instead of rewarding the guy who took the worst football program in D1 to the CFP last year?  Reward the guy who already did it if we are going to have to be patient.  I will answer that, it is because the expectation is win now.  We have gutted our women's team and are continuing to put our football program at a competitive disadvantage to win now in men's basketball.  The resources being expended do not indicate patience.

For sure and it’s April 2. We missed on one key target, which sucks but is by no means insurmountable towards us having a good enough year to comfortably make the tournament. I’m going to try and enjoy watching the process unfold. Understand the anxiety / grievances with the program boiling over but think we still owe the new coach fan support before he’s even coached a game here. 

[Indynorthsider]

7 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

This feels right on at the moment. I didn’t want McCollum because he doesn’t know big boy recruiting and can’t/won’t win those battles. DeVries won’t be much better in that avenue it seems. Got a huge nil war chest but doesn’t want to spend it. We need 8-9 guys. Spend top dollar on 8-9 guys. Let SRSC guys fill 10-15.


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Let’s be honest, if the reports of $4 mill are even close to accurate you can’t do it. Just can’t. Not with a $10-$12 mil budget.

[Golfman25]

6 hours ago, BA47591 said:

You're expectations should be higher. 26-9 is roughly the average between Pope, Kelsey and May in their first year. Why should DD not be expected to deliver that? Didn't DD fall into the "with our resources" category? Lol. 

I hate the state of the program. 25 years of mismanagement. I think it's probably time for my old a55 to just be a basketball fan. 

 

 

You said it right there.  Kentucky, Louisville and Michigan haven’t been basket cases for 25 years.   They had a few years with a bad coach and made a change to a better coach.  Coach DD has his work cut out for him.   

[Golfman25]

47 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

Geez, we miss out on Conwell and people start melting down. Here is hoping people woke up and realize it’s 1 player and there are actually talented players available to get. Let it play out and see what the roster looks like at the end of the portal season. 

Don’t forget the guys on here convinced themselves that we had an A+ roster last year.  That the guards we picked up who couldn’t shoot would improve their shooting, etc.   How did that work out?   Maybe it’s time to apply the Constanza rule.  

[str8baller]

42 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

Louisville fans didn’t even expect this year to happen. The ACC was also terrible this year as well and that helped them. 

Lville fans didn’t expect it because they had no frame of reference. Last season was nearly uncharted territory. But now we have 3 good data points from local rivals(ish). I guess it took 72yr old Pitino at St John’s 2 years.  
 

But so far the early returns are in and there doesn’t seem to be any excuses for good coaches at elite programs needing time. Everyone starts over and recruits their whole roster every year.
 

Woody did it last year and we put expectations of top of the conf and S16 on him. Why would CDDs expectations be lower than Mike freaking Woodson?? That’s crazy to me. 

[Ryno6284]

6 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

You said it right there.  Kentucky, Louisville and Michigan haven’t been basket cases for 25 years.   They had a few years with a bad coach and made a change to a better coach.  Coach DD has his work cut out for him.   

I think he is up to the challenge! Let’s hope so anyway! He is a grinder so that is a good place to start.

[Pagoda]

25 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I am not saying win big.  I am saying win now.  He cannot miss the tournament.  We ran off a Hoosier legend (who admittedly soiled his own legacy) for winning 19 games every year with talent.  Michigan and Louisville overhauled their entire rosters last year and ended up in the tournament.  Michigan won the BTT and made it to the Sweet 16.  Kentucky, Sweet 16.

If we have to "build from the bottom" then why would we reward the basketball program with a bigger budget than our competitors instead of rewarding the guy who took the worst football program in D1 to the CFP last year?  Reward the guy who already did it if we are going to have to be patient.  I will answer that, it is because the expectation is win now.  We have gutted our women's team and are continuing to put our football program at a competitive disadvantage to win now in men's basketball.  The resources being expended do not indicate patience.

Pretty reasonable.  I always go back to we have top-10 payroll and athletic dept expense budget for basketball... you've got to be making the tourney with that.  This is a big reason I got so frustrated with Woody's results.

Cig does seem pretty happy with his NIL/rev share and we landed some good players.  I know last season's NIL, but for this season I don't know the NIL/rev share to football -- if anyone knows please post it or DM me.  That said, giving football even more makes sense given how well Cig uses it and the ROI to the athletic dept.

I am anxious and nervous with bball, I can't help it given our history, and any bad news triggers my PTSD.  BUT, it's early.  Of course I wanted Conwell, but the hopes and dreams of IUBB do not lie on Ryan Conwell.  We have to see the roster take form over the next three weeks.  Hopefully it's reasonably good and not a red flag out of the gate.

[str8baller]

23 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

So 30% of our NIL budget to a SG when we need 8-10 spots on a roster with 8 of those likely getting some significant NIL money?  I really wanted Conwell BUT that is quite abit of money for 1 guy when we only have Tucker(yes blah blah blah there hasn't been anything official yet BUT he is waiting on his medical approval I do believe AND assuming Conner is on the team as of last nights news from a few).  Conwell was underwhelming in the big dance this year, maybe with a better overall team those stats improve, I would bet it would.  Tucker is LIKELY getting $1.5/$2 Mil minimum IMO.  

Anyone know what Tucker is projected to be at?  $3 mill for Conwell + $2 mill for Tucker is half of our NIL budget lol woof

If you look at the NBA, they can basically pay 2 players what they consider the “max”. That eats up between 50-70% of their cap. I’d expect college to be similar. Your top 2-3 guys should eat the majority of your salary.  
 

So if CDD took a look at Conwells number and said “too expensive “ that’s part of his job to make that call. 

[dwtaylor1055]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

If you look at the NBA, they can basically pay 2 players what they consider the “max”. That eats up between 50-70% of their cap. I’d expect college to be similar. Your top 2-3 guys should eat the majority of your salary.  
 

So if CDD took a look at Conwells number and said “too expensive “ that’s part of his job to make that call. 

I could agree with that when comparing the too.  In the end, I think the output that Conwell has put forth was deemed not worthy of offloading $3-$4 million for him.  

[Papacap]

If I’m understanding things correctly, we can’t get players at IU regardless of the money and we aren’t spending the money we have. On April 2. I get the PTSD of sucking as a program for so long, but holy hell…..some people need a snickers bar.

[IUCrazy2]

30 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

For sure and it’s April 2. We missed on one key target, which sucks but is by no means insurmountable towards us having a good enough year to comfortably make the tournament. I’m going to try and enjoy watching the process unfold. Understand the anxiety / grievances with the program boiling over but think we still owe the new coach fan support before he’s even coached a game here. 

To be clear, I still support.   Even if I am underwhelmed by the end of the offseason I am still going to give him a chance to do his thing.  I just think that he has to get off to a solid start and that isn't all his fault.  Frankly this has been a compounding problem that started with Myles Brand.  Each new guy is dealing with mistakes that have been compounding over 25 years.  The shadow of Dusty May along with Purdue being on a historic run (for their program) doesn't help either.

Hopefully some stuff starts shaking out soon so we can stop worrying about hypotheticals.