They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[realTomCrean]

NGW writes goodbye posts more than a 16-year-old girl. "I'm done this time, not coming back! You don't appreciate me anyways" And just like a teenage girl, he always comes back more annoying and fuller of self-pity than before. 

[Home Jersey]

10 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I do wonder if Dusty makes a few run of that would change the plan at IU. They can’t have another Brad Stevens situation. 

Good point. I hope, but doubt, the administration thinks in such clear terms...

[Demo]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I'm going to push back against the "Oh no; Kenny Payne!" take:

The role matters.

1. Kenny Payne has been an unmitigated disaster as a head coach.
2. But when he was an assistant coach at UK, their hyper-critical fan base and their recruits thought he was flat-out awesome. 

I have no idea whether he will join Woody, but just because Payne wasn't good at one job doesn't mean he won't be excellent at a completely different job.

100% correct. His record as a recruiter and big man developer at UK is unassailable. 

[AKHoosier]

Purdue making a deep run in the NCAAT would substantially put additional heat on Woodson, as fan pressure would exponentially increase. That's a silver lining of Purdue having success this March.

If Woodson flames out in the NIT a week or 2 after defiantly telling fans "I've done my job" and then we fans watch Painter take Purdue to a Final 4, then yeah, that won't sit well with me. 

Those words may come back to bite him.

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, rcbowla said:

This is completely fair and may be his best possible position. I do pose this question though. Does his HC job at Louisville tarnish the credibility he had with recruits while at UK? 

I don't think so. 

However, I do very much think Payne's recent failures all but eliminate him as an addition to the staff for a coach on the hot seat such as Woody. "May be a good idea but it's definitely a bad look" is not something I would expect that Dolson is going to sign off on.

[Chris007]

8 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

I greatly respect those of you that are clinging to the hope that a coaching change will be made at the end of this season. Despite all evidence pointing to Mike Woodson definitively coming back for the 2024-2025 season, you're still holding out. I admire and hope you end up proving to be prescient.

I am already at the acceptance stage of my grief and am attempting to convince myself that our returning players plus the massive NIL hammer IU can swing will help grab enough good portal players so that next season is enjoyable and then Woodson retires as Quinn Buckner's BOT run expires.

That's probably the smartest thing to do but we here at BTB have never been accused of being scholars. I of course is speaking for myself more than anyone else. 

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

NGW had to have the account deleted as a cover up... to conceal the fact his true identity is... Kenya Hunter!

“I would have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for that meddling Chris”

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I appreciate the DM's from people. I'm going to slow down my posting for a little bit. It was just becoming too much and now that we have nice weather I'm going to try to be outside a little more. He was just rubbing me the wrong way and bringing out a bad side in me. 

I have my own wife calling me a fair-weather fan also. She thinks he's an awful coach but wants him to get a 4th year since he's a nice old man. I've pulled all of my hair out already.  Go Hoosiers

YOU deserve to golf.  

[Kentuckysucks]

Tell the Simons we're gonna need a bigger check.

 

 

[JSHoosier]

30 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

What we need is a booster with FU money to give Dusty an NIL deal to stick at FAU one more year, so he can come next year.  Kind of a right of first refusal. 

A booster gave FU money now we're stuck with Woodson.

[8bucks]

5 minutes ago, GoHoosiers24 said:

I'm there with ya man, but if Woody has a decent season next year, he will definitely be back for the 25/26 season. Talk about depressing. 

Random thought, but is Woody the worst coach we've had in the past 20-25 years? Argument could certainly be made. If I had to rank them from best to worst, it'd look something like:

• Coach Knight
• Kelvin - Had we not shot ourselves in the ****, there'd be another banner or two hanging in Assembly Hall
• Crean
• Davis
• Woody
• Arch

Kind of shows what we all know, we are going backwards...

I don't think Woody, or really any on that list is terrible, but man are the mediocre enough to hang around.  That is the problem I think with the strategy we have had in hiring coaches.  Not sure if KathyC was real, had BOT sources, or was loony but she paints a picture many have alluded to regarding our admin.   That they are not the ones we want to pick our next coach.  

Is a coup possible?  I kid...

[IUFAN1976]

28 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Guys It’s all my fault.  I hit the trifecta - IU, Cubs and Bears.  I have lived a life of suckage surrounded by a few years of greatness.  Bad karma I guess. 

So it’s your fault our IU basketball team has sucked!  Please go root for Purdue!

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, go iu bb said:

This has probably already been posted but negative media hasn't gone away yet. If IU hoped that the "leak" saying Woodson would be back would stop that, they were wrong. I expect we'll see more of this over the summer and fall. If he doesn't have a great season, it'll really explode.

https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/columnists/2024/03/12/bob-knights-legacy-fails-iu-as-mike-woodson-keeps-coaching/72929876007/

Wow! That was pretty much a scathing synopsis of the time leading up to and including "the Buckner years". Who are these boosters? Are they the regular cast of characters - the Simons and the Cooks? Interesting that it takes money, but in my opinion, said boosters would not see less of a return on their investment by simply flushing said donations down the commode.

Unfortunately, it would appear that all of the fans clamoring for change has done nothing more than force the powers that be to circle the wagons.

Edited March 13, 2024 by RoncalliHoosier

[jumpshot53]

1 minute ago, Schreckbagger said:

Makes you all look foolish, regardless of who sees it. Go kick the dog or yell at the kids if you wish, but it's not changing anything. The decision has been made, get over it.

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Have you read other team's message boards?  A recruit better get thicker skin if he chooses his school based on message boards.  He should be in the gym practicing, not worrying about getting his feelings hurt by what someone says on social media.  God help the team that lands such a baby.

[Home Jersey]

3 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Tell the Simons we're gonna need a bigger check.

 

 

I never understood why NGW was acting as if $6M is some mindblowingly unattainable number that other programs couldn't even dream of meeting or surpassing. It's a lot of money for sure but it's not like that makes us the Yankees with George Steinbrenner 

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Post enough to get rid of the Purdue Jockstrap!

Dang, did not see that. I'm on it!

[ziggyiu]

11 minutes ago, Demo said:

100% correct. His record as a recruiter and big man developer at UK is unassailable. 

It's rumored that his recruiting success at UK is based on impermissible benefits and NIL has leveled that playing field (somewhat).

Any idea if that's true, and any notion why the recruiting success didn't translate to his head coaching tenure? Also, now that he's a spectacularly failed head coach, that may impact how recruits and their influencers view being coached by Kenny. 

[Magisterium]

1 hour ago, SamIam said:

Given the senior day speeches, I don't know if it is a given that Trey Leal MM and MR would be back if they fired Woody. 

I think the more interesting question is how well does Dusty do next year? If he takes the OSU job and we do end up firing Woodson, he probably has to turn OSU around in 1 year to be considered by admin.  Will his buyout one year into his tenure be prohibitively large? It will be interesting to see this all play out, but imagine a future where we fire Woody next year and again pass on Dusty because he didn't compete year one year in the P5. 

I don’t see any realistic scenario where IU could hire May a year from now unless he stays at FAU. Certainly not if went to OSU, Louisville or Michigan. Probably not even if he went to WVU or DePaul. He’d probably have to request an “out” or “exception” clause in his new contract (in the event IU wanted to interview him) and if I were the AD at those other schools a request like that would be a major red flag.

[Chris007]

7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

YOU deserve to golf.  

I deserve it so much that I got a second job at a local course here in Bloomington. 

[HoosierHuddle]

7 minutes ago, GoHoosiers24 said:

I'm there with ya man, but if Woody has a decent season next year, he will definitely be back for the 25/26 season. Talk about depressing. 

Random thought, but is Woody the worst coach we've had in the past 20-25 years? Argument could certainly be made. If I had to rank them from best to worst, it'd look something like:

• Coach Knight
• Kelvin - Had we not shot ourselves in the ****, there'd be another banner or two hanging in Assembly Hall
• Crean
• Davis
• Woody
• Arch

Kind of shows what we all know, we are going backwards...

I think reasonable arguments could be made between Archie Miller, Mike Davis and Mike Woodson. I don't know why anyone would want to argue about any of the three of them because the only logical conclusion is that none of them are good and have proven to be (or are proving to be) inadequate long-term solutions for Indiana University. I would personally rank them as you have...Archie Miller being last place is correct, in my opinion. Of course, with IU's NIL might at his disposal, maybe Archie could have done better but that's not a hypothetical we can prove and his results are worse than Mike Woodson's have been. No point re-litigating any of the other tenures. 

You are probably right, if Mike Woodson's 2024-2025 team is solid (I envision that as making the tournament as something like a 7-seed, finishing like 5th in the Big Ten) and they make the second-round of the NCAA Tournament, that would probably be seen as real progress and they'd point to the trajectory of the program as being upward and he'd likely be back for another year. Still, I think retirement at that point would be a clear option as well...he'd be turning 67 and could point to having the program in the NCAAs 3 of 4 seasons and leaving things on what he would describe much better than how he found them. I'm naive but that's my hope. We get to enjoy a decent season with a tourney bid and then we get a new coach.