They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AZ Hoosier]

12 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Not me.  His behavior during his coaching tenure far exceeds whatever he did as a player long before I was alive.  Same with Buckner.  They're villains in my IU fandom story.  I have no other memories of them. 

Absolutely agree. Four years as a player = great legacy. Four years as head coach = massive failure. Overall rating: average... maybe slightly negative as someone who overstayed their welcome.

The halo effect also causes Buckner's legendary status to tank... he chose his buddy over the university that gave him whatever success he had achieved.

The nepotism factor here is huge. Then there's the fiduciary issue with protecting the interest of Indiana University vs serving their own interests and making Woodson richer than he would ever have been without their misguided influence.

[AZ Hoosier]

9 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Pre nil Woodson would have already been toast. But when you got guys like quinn and Ferguson with huge influence over boosters it changes the dynamic. Sure dolson can make a move but without money backing him he is limited. The boosters can simply dig in and say Woodson
is our guy and what can he do really. It really is the happy scenario from blue chips


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After this massive failed experiment, the money will be there for Dolson to make the necessary hire. I have no doubt about that... 

[AZ Hoosier]

8 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Word went out to sterling to change his tune.

proof?

FWIW, Sterling has always been kind of manic.

[bodsbums]

Regarding star️s and players. There is totally a reason why Tucker, Mbako and Reneau were all available as late spring signees. Everyone else figured out they were overrated, and just wanted the bag. Mercenaries never work long term. There heart just isn’t in it. If Woody had spent more than five minutes working on recruiting he would’ve seen that too- maybe. 

[coonhounds]

We need some good rumors today to give some hope!

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[Uspshoosier]

11 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Not convinced with the 7 25pt losses we have. Or whatever 

They are all Q1 losses as of now.   Committee just sees losses to good teams mostly away from home while the fan invested sees a horrific performance by the team the love.    IU is currently in the last 4 in to first 4 or next 4 out range with the resume they currently have.  Add 5 more Q1 and Q2 wins and they would be closer to the right side then people think or would want.   Bottom of the side lines with those last 4 in teams are always going to have shaky resumes and if IU shows up with no Q3 losses and the amount of Q1 and 2 wins they will have they will be in consideration.  Their resume isn’t comparing with the Auburn, Bama, Duke or anyone on the top of the bracket like it should be it would be compared with teams that will have flaws 

[Pagoda]

10 hours ago, ap2345 said:

I trust Dolson on this one

I know this post references Dolson not hiring an interim coach, but I'll chime in and say I think Scott can break our losing steak with bball coaches and get the next one right.

Scott has been at IU forever.  Working at IU isn't exactly the ideal place to learn how to be a great AD, but it appears he's figured it out over the past few years, sometimes the hard way unfortunately, but that's life.  I know he constantly seeks to learn more from more experienced ADs at other schools and he keeps in touch with coaching targets well in advance of coaching searches (/wink).  That's a sign of a good leader/executive.

One benefit of being at IU for such a long time is Scott has seen a lot of mistakes, A LOT! -- from the search committee interviewing no one and hiring Davis to whatever Glass missed when he hired Archie (and Wilson and Allen).  He knows who/what to avoid.  And in fairness he's seen some good non-rev sport hires too.  I'm optimistic he knows what sort of bball coach candidate will work at IU.  It certainly appears he figured out what football coach would do well here, and that was a harder task than what he faces with bball.

In the end, Scott is all we have at IU to fix basketball.  We've seen the serious incompetence and conflicts from those outside the athletic dept.  Fortunately, I think their influence is materially diminished.  I get being pessimistic with bball hires, it's hard to argue with the history, but there are reasons to be optimistic that Scott gets the next one right.

[Josh]

29 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

Regarding star️s and players. There is totally a reason why Tucker, Mbako and Reneau were all available as late spring signees. Everyone else figured out they were overrated, and just wanted the bag. Mercenaries never work long term. There heart just isn’t in it. If Woody had spent more than five minutes working on recruiting he would’ve seen that too- maybe. 

I'd argue Reneau has some of the most heart on this team

[AKHoosier]

32 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

Regarding star️s and players. There is totally a reason why Tucker, Mbako and Reneau were all available as late spring signees. Everyone else figured out they were overrated, and just wanted the bag. Mercenaries never work long term. There heart just isn’t in it. If Woody had spent more than five minutes working on recruiting he would’ve seen that too- maybe. 

Mgbako had been committed to Duke for months before choosing to decommit because Filipowski opted to return for his second year. 

Reneau decommitted from Florida because Mike White left for Georgia. He had no shortage of suitors. 

The right coach could definitely put these guys in a better position to succeed. It had nothing to do with schools staying away from them. 

[AZ Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Mgbako had been committed to Duke for months before choosing to decommit because Filipowski opted to return for his second year. 

Reneau decommitted from Florida because Mike White left for Georgia. He had no shortage of suitors. 

The right coach could definitely put these guys in a better position to succeed. It had nothing to do with schools staying away from them. 

Exactly. Both of these guys (and many others on teams under Woodson's tenure) could have benefited from some serious coaching. Apart from the hubris and ego-related stuff, Woodson's biggest downfall is that he can't coach/develop players. He's stuck in the '80s NBA style with multiple bigs clogging things up and no focus on outside shooters. 

It's not surprising that with Reneau's absence due to injury, the team seems to be playing better with the middle opened up.

[IUrocker]

I know before the OSU game there were some on here who thought Mike Woodson won’t coach another game in Assembly Hall. Since we managed to escape by the hair of our chinny chin chin with a win, do we still think there’s a chance he won’t coach again at home? I think fans are to the point where it really doesn’t matter that we happened to win that game. Fans are still displeased with what’s going on and I think would still show their disappointment even though we won our last game. 

[bodsbums]

40 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Mgbako had been committed to Duke for months before choosing to decommit because Filipowski opted to return for his second year. 

Reneau decommitted from Florida because Mike White left for Georgia. He had no shortage of suitors. 

The right coach could definitely put these guys in a better position to succeed. It had nothing to do with schools staying away from them. 

I’m aware of the circumstances. Why IU? We didn’t have a long recruitment history with any of them necessarily that I’m aware of- maybe we did. In the end I’m guessing it came down to money and we offered the most. Tucker is the case that seems most pronounced to me. I think he has some promise as a player, but he didn’t fit a need that we had at all. We needed three point shooting and he isn’t that. If he did his homework, he should have been able to see that our offense is dog water for a player like him. If I was a player considering IU with Woody in charge it only makes sense from a basketball perspective if I am a big wanting touches or a pt guard to wants the ball in my hand all the time. 

[CSP]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

They are all Q1 losses as of now.   Committee just sees losses to good teams mostly away from home while the fan invested sees a horrific performance by the team the love.    IU is currently in the last 4 in to first 4 or next 4 out range with the resume they currently have.  Add 5 more Q1 and Q2 wins and they would be closer to the right side then people think or would want.   Bottom of the side lines with those last 4 in teams are always going to have shaky resumes and if IU shows up with no Q3 losses and the amount of Q1 and 2 wins they will have they will be in consideration.  Their resume isn’t comparing with the Auburn, Bama, Duke or anyone on the top of the bracket like it should be it would be compared with teams that will have flaws 

Not necessarily, computer wise. 10+pt, 15+pt losses are different data than a 2pt loss. 

Furthermore, Q1, sure... but OSU, Nebraska, and Iowa aren't going to end up T30... 

I dont think our NET gets to where it needs to be, even if we go 11-9. 

It's a disgusting topic to have to discuss. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

15 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Be still my beating heart.

@ least it wasn’t a bottle of blue pills lol

[CSP]

18-20 yr old mercenaries? Lol such an odd term. 

[Napleshoosier]

In Brad we trust!  :)

[CSP]

We aren't winning 5 or 6 more Q1 games this year.  No way

Predicted to lose the next 5 on FPI 

[steubenhoosier]

42 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Exactly. Both of these guys (and many others on teams under Woodson's tenure) could have benefited from some serious coaching. Apart from the hubris and ego-related stuff, Woodson's biggest downfall is that he can't coach/develop players. He's stuck in the '80s NBA style with multiple bigs clogging things up and no focus on outside shooters. 

It's not surprising that with Reneau's absence due to injury, the team seems to be playing better with the middle opened up.

There are a lot of reasons Woodson’s should be gone, and I agree that his style of play is not where today’s game is. However to say that guys haven’t developed under him, at least the bigs, is patently false.

TJD became a much better player under Woodson. Race as well, to a lesser extent. Ware went from being non-motivated and a waste to a 1st round draft pick. Reneau has improved in his 3 years here.

As I said, there are so many reasons why we need a coaching change. Don’t need to invent stuff to make a case.

[IUHAHN81]

To paraphrase Kurt Russell in Tombstone, Woody is telling everyone, "You tell um I'm comin', and losses are comin' with me!" 

[Hoosierfan2017]

3 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

While I wouldn't go so far as saying villains, I think they've shown that whatever love they have for the program is secondary to their personal interests.

When it comes to being coach, I don't give a crap about Woodson's legacy as a player; he deserves to be fired not a save face retirement. He should've been fired last year but IU loves to give crappy coaches too long because they care about optics to the detriment of the program.

I know villain sounds harsh. But the only Quinn Buckner I know is the guy who forced IU to hire his completely unqualified buddy and then forced IU to retain said unqualified buddy for a fourth season instead of hiring Dusty or Pearl. Mike Woodson is the guy that has halfa**ed his head coaching job for four seasons and intentionally drove a massive wedge in the fanbase because he didn’t meet expectations. 

They’ve written their stories for the under 50 crowd, and they're not pretty ones.