They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[HoosierHoopster]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

I believe Buckner’s term is up in June 2025, hasn’t officially said he is retiring or seeking another term yet IIRC 

Yes just linked the site. Man I hope we get confirmation he's not seeking another term

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Curious if the people who think he will be back next year have been to a game in Assembly Hall this year?  There is more to it than wins and losses.  The program has no juice right now. I would hope that Dolson sees this with his own eyes and regardless of if IU makes a 68 field tournament they move on because it’s definitely in the best interest of the program.   When my wife and kids  are  pointing out that there is a different feel in the building you know the program is in a bad spot.   Curious if others that go frequently feel the same bad vibes that I felt last night 

Not me. I’m on an iubb watching hiatus until Woodson is gone. Just not a guy I care to root for. The team being filled with mercenaries who came/stayed for the check doesn’t help either. My belief that he’ll be back next year is rooted in the incompetence of the IU administration. From hiring him in the first place to bringing him back this year, and everything in between, it’s been a disaster. 

[LamarCheeks]

In reading through a couple of the newer pages in this thread, I'm seeing ... 

I hope Dolson will see this. 
I hope Dolson will evaluate that. 
I hope Scott notices the lackluster crowds. 
Etc, etc., etc. 

But my question: Is there anything he can do about it? It seemed that with QB having the power of the board behind him, it wasn't necessarily Dolson's decision to make (kinda shows the dysfunction when the AD doesn't seem to have the authority to fire/hire coaches, eh?).

[ap2345]

40 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

^^I would hope so too^^

I would also hope, and fully expect, that Dolson is constantly assessing the performance of the coach both on and off the court, the trajectory of the program, the recruiting projections, the excitement of the fanbase, , the potential to achieve and sustain very high levels of success, and the flow of money from boosters... on a constant basis, including at the conclusion of the season.

Upon doing so, absent a top tier B1G finish and a Sweet 16, or a mid-tier B1G finish and a Final Four, I am confident that this will be Woody's last year as the Indiana Coach.

I hate to tell AH but it's clear based on reliable information that baring a crazy run he'll be gone. The wheels for that were set in motion a while back and it's rather unlikely things change course. 

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

In reading through a couple of the newer pages in this thread, I'm seeing ... 

I hope Dolson will see this. 
I hope Dolson will evaluate that. 
I hope Scott notices the lackluster crowds. 
Etc, etc., etc. 

But my question: Is there anything he can do about it? It seemed that with QB having the power of the board behind him, it wasn't necessarily Dolson's decision to make (kinda shows the dysfunction when the AD doesn't seem to have the authority to fire/hire coaches, eh?).

Scott will have control moving forward. Not Buckner

[Trish]

I didn't watch last night, but It seems like the Big Ten conference is generally down again this year. 

 

Fire Mike Woodson!

[AH1971]

8 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I hate to tell AH but it's clear based on reliable information that baring a crazy run he'll be gone. The wheels for that were set in motion a while back and it's rather unlikely things change course. 

"Reliable information" lol.

Let me guess, same source that says BS is walking away from the Celtics? 

Absolute punching bag

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Trish said:

 

I didn't watch last night, but It seems like the Big Ten conference is generally down again this year. 

 

 

Compared to the SEC you are correct.  As far as national title contenders you are correct however as far as the NET and number of teams that will make the tourney the B1G is in very strong position.    9 teams in the NET top 30 is pretty strong.    It yeah IU definitely needs a change in leadership 

[Jeff Flabjohns]

11 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I hate to tell AH but it's clear based on reliable information that baring a crazy run he'll be gone. The wheels for that were set in motion a while back and it's rather unlikely things change course. 

So you’re telling me that the proscribed set of waypoints have begun?! We can expect a logical and predictable conclusion?

[Uspshoosier]

Moving forward I can save everyone a lot of time that will come to this thread to flex on a win or loss. IU has 13 Q1 and 2 Q2 opportunities left.   With that many opportunities 1 single loss or win isn’t going to change the fact that they just have to win enough games.  They could lose 5 straight but win out and be fine or they could win 5 straight and lose out and not be fine.  I don’t see IU playing another Q3 game the rest of year.    Reminder the bottom 3 B1G teams don’t make the B1G tourney so no team that plays in it will have to play Minny 

[hper50]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Moving forward I can save everyone a lot of time that will come to this thread to flex on a win or loss. IU has 13 Q1 and 2 Q2 opportunities left.   With that many opportunities 1 single loss or win isn’t going to change the fact that they just have to win enough games.  They could lose 5 straight but win out and be fine or they could win 5 straight and lose out and not be fine.  I don’t see IU playing another Q3 game the rest of year.    Reminder the bottom 3 B1G teams don’t make the B1G tourney so no team that plays in it will have to play Minny 

But what am I supposed to do to kill time and entertain myself during the work day now?

[Hornsby]

Nope.  In addition to irrelevant comparisons to Archie, there will be quite a bit of "he made the tournament three out of four years how can you fire him???"
Many will forget we have one of the most expensive rosters in college basketball.
Depressing.

Yep. Make the tourney and he did his job even though he had top 5 nil money.

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[Hornsby]

In reading through a couple of the newer pages in this thread, I'm seeing ... 
I hope Dolson will see this. 
I hope Dolson will evaluate that. 
I hope Scott notices the lackluster crowds. 
Etc, etc., etc. 

But my question: Is there anything he can do about it? It seemed that with QB having the power of the board behind him, it wasn't necessarily Dolson's decision to make (kinda shows the dysfunction when the AD doesn't seem to have the authority to fire/hire coaches, eh?).

No quinn runs the show. If quinn says Woodson stays he stays.

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[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Not me. I’m on an iubb watching hiatus until Woodson is gone. Just not a guy I care to root for. The team being filled with mercenaries who came/stayed for the check doesn’t help either. My belief that he’ll be back next year is rooted in the incompetence of the IU administration. From hiring him in the first place to bringing him back this year, and everything in between, it’s been a disaster. 

I'd push back against the "team is filled with mercenaries who came/stayed for a check" narrative.

Basketball is the chosen career of these kids, but many of them; Leal, Galloway, Goode, Hatton came or stayed because they have a special connection with IU. Newton stayed because this staff has stood by him through some extreme adversity. Hell, Dallas James was offered and is at IU for a year not because of NIL, but because he has a chance to advance academically and sit on a P5 bench, all possible because of his dad's connection to Woody; not because of NIL.

And yes, someone like Myles Rice or Kanaan Carlyle wanted NIL, but neither of them visited or really considered other schools; they weren't exactly 'open to the highest bidder'. 

Is NIL a real part of the landscape? For sure. Does IUBB have a lucrative NIL payout that is part of the consideration for our team? Yes. But that is true for many, many places and we are no different, better, nor worse than the landscape in general.

[Pagoda]

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

In reading through a couple of the newer pages in this thread, I'm seeing ... 

I hope Dolson will see this. 
I hope Dolson will evaluate that. 
I hope Scott notices the lackluster crowds. 
Etc, etc., etc. 

But my question: Is there anything he can do about it? It seemed that with QB having the power of the board behind him, it wasn't necessarily Dolson's decision to make (kinda shows the dysfunction when the AD doesn't seem to have the authority to fire/hire coaches, eh?).

I think with Scott bringing in tens of millions of extra revenue with the FB success and all the great exposure he got the whole university, he is now at the wheel and not lame duck Quinn.  Scott produces results, Quinn doesn’t and he is departing.

[Hoosierfan2017]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'd push back against the "team is filled with mercenaries who came/stayed for a check" narrative.

Basketball is the chosen career of these kids, but many of them; Leal, Galloway, Goode, Hatton came or stayed because they have a special connection with IU. Newton stayed because this staff has stood by him through some extreme adversity. Hell, Dallas James was offered and is at IU for a year not because of NIL, but because he has a chance to advance academically and sit on a P5 bench, all possible because of his dad's connection to Woody; not because of NIL.

And yes, someone like Myles Rice or Kanaan Carlyle wanted NIL, but neither of them visited or really considered other schools; they weren't exactly 'open to the highest bidder'. 

Is NIL a real part of the landscape? For sure. Does IUBB have a lucrative NIL payout that is part of the consideration for our team? Yes. But that is true for many, many places and we are no different, better, nor worse than the landscape in general.

We have 8 guys who play at least 15 mpg: Ballo, Reneau, Mgbako, Rice, Galloway, Goode, Tucker, and Carylyle. Really only Galloway and Goode fit that bill, and Goode has only been on the team for a few months. Leal plays some too  I don’t want to sidetrack the conversation, but I’m just not a fan. 

Maybe it’s because I’m older now, maybe it’s because I don’t live in Indiana anymore, maybe it’s due to the transfer portal. I don’t know. But I really just don’t feel any connection. It used to feel like these are guys playing for my school. Now it just largely feels like a random group of dudes wearing IU jerseys. 7 of the 13 scholarship players this year are new, and 6 of them are transfers. Before we’d follow these guys in high school recruiting for a year or two before they’d get to campus. Now IU doesn’t really do high school recruiting and then we find out in April who will be on the team the following year. It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

[Home Jersey]

27 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

I think with Scott bringing in tens of millions of extra revenue with the FB success and all the great exposure he got the whole university, he is now at the wheel and not lame duck Quinn.  Scott produces results, Quinn doesn’t and he is departing.

I just don’t have faith in the IU system valuing results and outcomes over stakeholder sentiment and “optics” … 

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

Your entire post was well-stated, but this is the well-stated bottom line. Agreed.

[Chris007]

26 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

That's true it's the same thing with all schools.

I feel like I have a connection with Leal, Trey and Goode all being from Indiana. A connection with Ballo because we both like to eat and go to bars, and a connection with Rice because we all know someone who has gone through cancer. My son has hung out with Tucker some since their both freshman and has said he's a really good dude. 

[Golfman25]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Curious if the people who think he will be back next year have been to a game in Assembly Hall this year?  There is more to it than wins and losses.  The program has no juice right now. I would hope that Dolson sees this with his own eyes and regardless of if IU makes a 68 field tournament they move on because it’s definitely in the best interest of the program.   When my wife and kids  are  pointing out that there is a different feel in the building you know the program is in a bad spot.   Curious if others that go frequently feel the same bad vibes that I felt last night 

Program is in a bad spot right now because Atlantis crushed our hopes and dreams. The prognosis of Woody coming back is based on the 10-12 win, make the tourney scenario.  Right now it's hurry up and wait, play some cupcakes and bottom of BIG teams.   Season really starts Saturday at Iowa and gets more difficult from there.  IF they continue to win, you'll see some mojo pick up around the program.  IF not, look out below.